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Mary:  Pray to Mary - Rosary - CoRedemptrix - Idolatry - Saints - Mary's children  
Tradition
: Apostolic Tradition - Eucharist - Abortion  
Baptism: Infant - Immersion - For the Dead - Gift of the Holy Ghost - Gifts of the Spirit  
Adam: Original sin - Adam's Fall  

Trinity: The Trinity - Creeds - CouncilsThree Gods - God the Father is all spirit  
Priesthood: The Pope - Apostles or Bishops - Celibacy - Calling Priest Father - Priest Forgive Sin - Unam Sanctum  
Creation: Creation out of Nothing - Pre-existence - The Problem of Evil  

Catholicism: Missionary task - Church HistoryTrue Church - Tithing - Paid Clergy - Mass  
Catholic TeachingsPurgatory - Indulgences - Veneration of relicsWine

Mormonism: Test Mormonism - TestimonyContrary Doctrine
Mormon Teachings: Revelation - Prophets - Apostles - Polygamy  
Mormon Scripture
Bible has many changes - The Book of Mormon - Mormon scripture  
Apostasy and Restoration
Apostasy - Restored truth  

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A typical Mormon encounter is described below by an ex-Mormon missionary (mrm.org):


Pray to Mary [Return to Topics]

Mormons do not pray to Mary, Mormons believe their relationship with God is a direct one. Mormons don’t feel the need to ask someone else to intervene on their behalf, because they believe God loves them enough to hear them. While they might ask friends to pray for them, this does not replace praying to God themselves. (Why Don’t Mormons Pray to Mary or Have Statues of Her?). Mormons believe Mary is not an intercessor, they pray directly to God the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. He alone is our Advocate with the Father. (Do Mormons say the rosary?). Catholics pray to our Father. Catholics also practice the biblical concept of intercessory prayer, the saints on earth and in heaven pray for each other, the prayers of the saints go to God. The prays of the blessed Mary are very powerful, she is highly favored. Catholics ask Mary to pray for them, Jesus is the only one mediator between God and men.  The wedding feast at Cana illustrates how Mary tells Jesus the needs of others. The Blessed Mary takes our request, our prayer, to her son Jesus and Jesus will turn that request into a miracle. God sent the angel Gabriel to the virgin Mary, the angel said to Mary "Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women". Catholics worship the one God and Catholics honor Mary because she is the mother of Jesus and the Bible reveals all generations shall call her blessed.

Catholics "honor the Blessed Virgin" (CCC971) and they "worship the one God" (CCC2097).  Catholics pray to "our Father" (Luke.11:2). Catholics ask Mary to "pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death" (CA - The Rosary). Mary is not the "one mediator between God and men", the man Christ Jesus is (1Tim.2:5). The prayer of Mary "availeth much" (Jas.5:16) because she "art highly favoured ... blessed art thou among women" (Luke.1:28), in whom "all generations shall call me blessed" (Luke.1:48).  The wedding feast at Cana illustrates how Mary tells Jesus the needs of others (John 2:3). Intercessory prayer is grounded in the Bible, the Bible says "pray for another" (Jas.5:16). The apostle Paul exhorts "that ... supplications, prayers, intercessions ... be made for all men" (1Tim.2:1). There are saints on earth (Eph.1:1) and there are "the camp of the saints" (Rev.20:9) who arise after they die (Matt.27:52). "the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God" (Rev.8:3; Rev 5:8). We are surrounded by "a cloud witnesses" (Heb 12:1,) in "the heavenly Jerusalem"  there are the "the spirits of just men made perfect" (Heb 12:22,23). These spirits are members of the "family in heaven and earth" (Eph.3:15) who "pray for us" (1Thes.5:25).  In the church there those "called to be saints" (1Cor.1:2), there are "saints and faithful brethren in Christ" (Col.1:2). The "saints ... keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus" (Rev.14:12).   


The Rosary  [Return to Topics]

Mormons don’t use a rosary (Do Mormons say the rosary?) and they avoid “vain repetitions” (Prayer). The rosary is a meditation of the Gospel, it is not a prayer said in vain repetitions. The Stations of the Cross are a devotion that offer a way for the faithful to enter more fully into the passion and death of the Lord. 

The rosary is not a prayer that is said in "vain repetitions" (Matt.6:7).  The rosary is a devotion where we "meditate upon these things" (1Tim.4:15), it is an "epitome of the whole Gospel" (CCC971).  The beads are used to "keep count" (CA - The Rosary). Catholics ask Mary to "pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death" (CA - The Rosary). 


CoRedemptrix  [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe Jesus alone is our Advocate with the Father. (Do Mormons say the rosary?). Mary is called CoRedemptrix, Catholics hold to the apostolic tradition taught by the second century bishop Irenaeus who wrote "Mary the Virgin ... by yielding obedience, become the cause of salvation, both to herself and the whole human race." Jesus is the only one mediator between God and men.

The Catholic Church continues with the words of the second century bishop Irenaeus who taught:

Mary freely and actively cooperated in a unique way with God’s plan of salvation (Luke 1:38; Gal. 4:4). "There is then no problem with the Church officially defining a doctrine which is not explicitly in Scripture, so long as it is not in contradiction to Scripture." (CA-Immaculate Conception and Assumption).  "Mary's co-operation in the work of salvation ... co-operation in the event of the Redemption or as permanent intercessor on behalf of all people ..." (EWTN-Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate). "The concept of Co-redemptrix refers to an indirect or unequal but important participation by the Blessed Virgin Mary in redemption, notably: that she gave free consent to give life to the Redeemer, to share his life, to suffer with him under the cross, to offer His sacrifice to God the Father for the sake of the redemption of mankind, and to bring about all particular post-assumption graces by way of intercession. ... Co-redemption is, in a sense, not a new concept. Even before the year 200, the Church Father Irenaeus referred to Mary as "causa salutis" [cause of our salvation] given her "fiat" ... The Roman Catholic view of Co-Redemptrix does not imply that Mary participates as equal part in the redemption of the human race, since Christ is the only redeemer. ... it “is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator”" (Wiki - Co-Redemptrix).  Mary's title of  "CoRedemptrix" does not imply that Mary has the capacity to redeem humans from sin that is in any way equal to that of God. The title "CoRedemptrix" implies that Mary cooperated with her Son in redeeming mankind (CA-CoRedemptrix ). 


Idolatry  [Return to Topics]

Mormons do not pray to statues or make use of them as part of their services (Why Don’t Mormons Pray to Mary or Have Statues of Her?). Catholics bow down for reverence, the Catholic Church condemns the sin of idolatry.

"Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted." (Do Catholics Worship Status? - CA). Not all bowing down is worship. A person can bow down before a king without worshipping him as a god, but to do "reverence to the king" (1Kgs.1:23,31). In the same way, a Catholic may bow down without idolatry. "Since the days of the apostles, the Catholic Church has consistently condemned the sin of idolatry." (CA-Do Catholics Worship Statues?).  


Saints  [Return to Topics]

Mormons don’t designate certain people as having attained Sainthood. Instead, each person works hard to be a true Saint-a follower of the Savior. (Do Mormons Canonize Saints?). Mormons do not beatify (call blessed in a formal sense) or canonize (declare a higher state of sainthood) anyone who is a member of the Church. Nor do they pray through or to others who have passed through this life and entered the spirit world, awaiting the resurrection. While they, like Catholics, do believe that those who have passed on are greatly interested in what happens in our lives, they do not petition that intercession directly; they do not have what Catholics might call “patron saints. (What do Mormons believe about Sainthood?). The saints on earth recognize some the holy saints that have died so that they may imitate them and ask them to pray form them, the prayers of a righteous person are very powerful. Jesus is the only one mediator between God and men.

"The Church, then, is "the holy People of God," and her members are called "saints." (CCC823). " ... study the lives of the saints and imitate their virtues ...Paul said "Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ" (1 Cor 11:1)" (CA).  "... canonization is a later development in Church history; originally, saints were recognized by the acclamation of the communities in which they lived and by their bishops." (CA). The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth (Rev 5:8). 


The Virgin Mary’s children [Return to Topics]

Catholics hold to the apostolic tradition that Jesus was Mary's only child and she remained a lifelong virgin.

Catholics know through the witness Tradition that Jesus was Mary’s only child and that she remained a lifelong virgin. "An important historical document which supports the teaching of Mary’s perpetual virginity is the Protoevangelium of James, which was written probably less than sixty years after the conclusion of Mary’s earthly life (around A.D. 120)", when memories of her life were still vivid in the minds of many. According to the world-renowned patristics scholar, Johannes Quasten: "The principal aim of the whole writing [Protoevangelium of James] is to prove the perpetual and inviolate virginity of Mary before, in, and after the birth of Christ" (Patrology, 1:120–1).(CA-Mary: Ever Virgin).


Apostolic Tradition [Return to Topics]

Mormonism teaches "error crept into Church doctrine, and soon the destruction of the Church was complete." (LDS GP Chap 16).  Mormons believe modern revelation takes precedence over ancient revelation (Why Mormons don’t Debate Doctrine). The Mormon President Hinckley said "... we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity ... our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet ... I know that Joseph Smith was a prophet ... I know that this Church is the work of God ... Of these things I testify in solemnity ..." (LDS General Conference Apr 2002).   Apostolic tradition is tradition that comes from the apostles of Christ orally or by the written word. Catholics continue in the Biblical concept to stand fast and hold to the traditions which we have been taught by word or epistle and continue in the things which we have learned and have been assured of, knowing of who we learned them from. Catholics maintain the traditions as delivered by the apostles. Catholics traditions are not by committees of churchmen and are not mere opinion.  Catholics are not Bible only, some parts of Catholicism are not explicit in Scripture but at the same time these parts are not in contradiction to Scripture. The apostolic Catholic Church holds to the apostolic traditions which have been taught by word and orally. The apostolic Church continues in the things which it learned from Jesus and his apostles.  The apostles of Christ taught other faithful men. The early Church Fathers are the links that hand down the traditions of the apostles and guards them.  The Catholic Church has undergone changes and development of doctrine but these changes are not contrary to the apostolic traditions which have been taught by word and orally. 

Clement was a first century bishop of Rome who was ordained by the apostle Peter.  Ignatius was a 1st century bishop who was appointed by the apostle Peter. Irenaeus was a second century bishop. Bishops are proved, they receive the gift that is given with the laying on of hands, they are the stewards of God, they take care of the church of God, and they hold fast to the faithful word that the apostles taught. Bishops are not apostles, bishops are the apostle's successors. The Bible reveals that before the apostles died they ordained bishops, these bishops could then ordain others like they were appointed. While the apostles were alive bishops were local leaders, when the apostles died the bishops continue to be overseers by the holy Ghost to protect the flock.

For Catholics "tradition" is not by committees of quarreling churchmen and is not mere opinion. As Christians we are to "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (2Thes.2:15). Those who heard the word of the apostles committed the same words "to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" (2Tim.2:2).  The Catholic Church has "continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them" (2Tim 3:14). "The early Church Fathers, who were links in that chain of succession, recognized the necessity of the traditions that had been handed down from the apostles and guarded them scrupulously" (Apostolic Tradition - CA).


The Eucharist  [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe the purpose of the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper is to look back and remember Jesus the Christ and what He has done for each of us. (The Law of Sacrifice Part III – In Remembrance).  Catholics hold to the apostolic tradition that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ.  Catholics believe Jesus when he said "take, eat this is my body”. Jesus tells us "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life ... This is an hard saying; who can hear it? ... there are some of you that believe not". Catholics hold to what Jesus, his apostles, and the early Christians taught about "take, eat this is my body”. The bread and wine are the true Body of Christ and his true Blood, it is something that cannot be apprehended by the senses. The Bible reveals that some of the followers of Jesus did not believe Jesus when he told them about "take, eat this is my body”, other followers believed Jesus because he has the words of eternal life.

Mormonism claims that the LDS church "teaches the same principles" as in the days of Jesus (LDS GP Chap 17).  Mormons do not believe in the literal transubstantiation of the Sacrament. They see the reference symbolically. (Do Mormons have Communion?).  Mormonism does not teach the same principles as in the days of Jesus. The Catholic Church keeps the ordinances as they apostles delivered them. The Catholic Church holds to the to the apostolic traditions which have been taught by the apostles through the written word or orally. The Catholic Church continues in the words of Jesus.  Christ DID NOT say remember this my flesh and my blood, Christ DID NOT say these are symbols of my flesh and my blood, Jesus and his apostles said "take, eat this is my body”.  The Bible reveals “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? ... drink the cup of the Lord”.  Saint Cyril says: 'Do not doubt whether this is true, but rather receive the words of the Savior in faith, for since he is the truth, he cannot lie'". 

The Catholic Church continues with the words of Ignatius, a bishop of Antioch who was appointed by the apostle Peter, who wrote:

Paul tells the Corinthians, "keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you" (1Cor.11:2). Christ DID NOT say remember this my flesh and my blood, Christ DID NOT say these are symbols of my flesh and my blood, Jesus and his apostles said "take, eat this is my body” (1Cor 11:24John 6:54-60). Jesus tell us "bread of life ... Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life ... This is an hard saying; who can hear it? ... there are some of you that believe not ... Peter answered him ... we believe" (Jn 6:48-69). The Bible reveals “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? ... drink the cup of the Lord” (1Cor 10:16,17,21).  Catholics believe they can take only the bread and still get the entire body of Christ, Christ said "take, eat this is my body” (1Cor 11:24John 6:54-60). When Christ spoke of "this fruit of the vine"(Matt.26:29) it was in the context of the sacrament. As Christians we are to "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (2Thes.2:15). Those who heard the word of the apostles committed the same words "to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" (2Tim.2:2). The Catholic Church has "continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them" (2Tim 3:14). Saint Cyril says: 'Do not doubt whether this is true, but rather receive the words of the Savior in faith, for since he is the truth, he cannot lie'" (CCC1381)


Abortion [Return to Topics]

Mormons are opposed to abortion in all but a very few limited circumstances. Abortion is permitted-but should not be an automatic choice-in cases of rape and incest, danger to the life of the mother according to a responsible and qualified doctor, and defects that would cause the child to be unable to survive following birth. ... The church agrees that women have a right, within the bounds of health and science, to control what happens to their bodies. This is one reason abortion is permitted in cases of rape-the woman’s right to choose what would happen to her body was stolen from her (What Do Mormons Believe About Abortion?). Catholics hold to the apostolic tradition of not procuring an abortion., the first-century Didache taught "... You shall not murder ...You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child".

The Catholic Church continues with the words the Didache which taught: 

The Bible reveals that the right of the unborn to life exists from the moment the child of God exists (Luke.1:41, Jer.1:5, Job.10:8-12, Pss.22:10-11)? (Abortion: Who Teaches the Truth? - Catholic Answers). "The Catholic Church has always condemned abortion as a grave evil. Christian writers from the first-century author of the Didache to Pope John Paul II in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae ("The Gospel of Life") have maintained that the Bible forbids abortion, just as it forbids murder. ... from the time of conception the child’s body is alive (as shown by the fact it is growing), the child’s body must already have its spirit. ... in 1995 Pope John Paul II declared ... direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written word of God, is transmitted by the Church’s tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal magisterium. No circumstance, no purpose, no law whatsoever can ever make licit an act which is intrinsically illicit, since it is contrary to the law of God which is written in every human heart, knowable by reason itself, and proclaimed by the Church" (Evangelium Vitae 62)." (Abortion - Catholic Answers).  


Infant Baptism  [Return to Topics]

The Book of Mormon reveals "Infant baptism is an evil abomination" (Book of Mormon Moroni 8). Mormons believe little children need no repentance, neither baptism (What do Mormons think of infant baptism?). Mormonism teaches "it is mockery before God to baptize little children" (LDS GP Chap 20). Mormonism teaches "the prophet Alma taught that faith and repentance are steps that prepare us for baptism" (LDS GP Chap 20).  The Book of Mormon reveals "Infant baptism is an evil abomination". Jesus teaches that baptism is necessary to enter the kingdom of heaven.  Apostolic tradition teaches infants are reborn.  A person is reborn through baptism .  Infants do not need to repent because they have no personal sin.  Infants have what Catholics call original sin which is transmitted with human nature, the Bible reveals all have "sinful flesh". Those baptized as infants can consent or reject to their infant baptism later in life. Infants who have died without Baptism are entrusted to God's mercy. 

Mormonism differs with the practices of the early Christians. As Christians we are to "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (2Thes.2:15). Those who heard the word of the apostles committed the same words "to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" (2Tim.2:2).  The Catholic Church continues "in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them" (2Tim 3:14).   The Catholic Church teaches "Since the earliest times, Baptism has been administered to children, for it is a grace and a gift of God that does not presuppose any human merit; children are baptized in the faith of the Church" (1282). The Catholic Church continues with the words of the second century bishop Irenaeus who taught: 

Infants do not have a need for repentance because "infants ... have not committed personal sin" (CCC403). Those who have personal sin need to "Repent, and be baptized" (Acts.2:38). Infants have "sinful flesh" (Rom.8:3) or what Catholics call "Original sin" which "is transmitted with human nature" (CCC419). Original sin is part of "the sin of the world" (Jn 1:29).  Like an infant Jesus did not have to repent before he was baptized because he "knew no sin" (2Cor.5:21).  Like an infant Jesus came "in the likeness of sinful flesh" (Rom.8:3). Like an infant Jesus was free of personal sin and did not have a need for repentance. Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness (Matt.3:15), Jesus taught "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John.3:5), Jesus did not exclude infants and children under eight years old.  Infants are "baptized ... with water" (Mark.1:8) so that they may enter into the kingdom of God (John.3:5).  Children who have died without Baptism are entrusted to God's mercy (CCC1283), with God all things are possible when it comes to who can be saved (Matt.19:25), God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy (Rom.9:14), eternal life is a gift from God (Rom.6:23). Some theologians speculate that the infants are given an opportunity not unlike that once granted the angels, before their fall, to accept or reject God (Limbo - CA). 

The Catholic Church teaches: 

God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy (Rom.9:14).  Eternal life is a gift from God (Rom.6:23). The Church invites us to trust in God's mercy and to pray for children who have died without Baptism (CCC1283). With God all things are possible when it comes to who can be saved (Matt.19:25).  God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments (CCC1257). Baptism is a grace and a gift of God that does not presuppose any human merit; children are baptized in the faith of the Church (CCC1282).  For all the baptized, children or adults, faith must grow after Baptism (CCC1254).  By its very nature infant Baptism requires post-baptismal instruction and the necessary flowering of baptismal grace in personal growth (CCC1231).  Some theologians speculate that the infants are given an opportunity not unlike that once granted the angels, before their fall, to accept or reject God (Limbo - CA). 

The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith,"  with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection (CCC1274). Anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss (CCC1864).  "Baptism of desire is sufficient for salvation. It is not, though, the gateway to the other sacraments; for that you need water baptism. The need for water baptism after baptism of desire is confirmed by Peter's order to have the Gentiles water baptized even after they have received the gift of the Spirit (Acts 10:47-48)" (Catholic Answers). 

Those not baptized are not necessarily damned because with God all things are possible (Mark.16:16; Matt.19:25,26). "God judges each person according to the graces he received while on earth ... The merits of Christ's sacrifice can be applied without baptism by water through baptism of desire." (Mormonism's Baptism for the Dead - EWTN.com).  Moved by grace, man turns toward God and away from sin, thus accepting forgiveness and righteousness from on high (CCC1989). When they heard the gospel "they were pricked in their heart" ... Peter said ... repent and be baptized ... you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:37,38). 

The Book of Mormon does not "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (2Thes.2:15). The Book of Mormon is not the faith that "was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude.1:3). The Book of Mormon mixes truth with lies, in the beginning Satan mixed a lie with truth to deceive Eve (Gen.3). The Bible tells us that “false prophets … shall shew great signs and wonders“ (Matt 24:24), the Book of Mormon of Mormon is example of a sign a false prophet can show. For Mormons the Book of Mormon is a sign that Joseph Smith is a prophet and many Mormons wonder how an young farm boy with limited education could have brought forth the Book of Mormon "the most correct of any book on earth" and "the keystone" of the Mormon religion (LDS GP Chap 10).  For Non-Mormons the Book of Mormon is evidence “that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils” (1Tim.4:1).   One thing that sets the Mormon religion apart from other Christian religions is the belief in the Book of Mormon, for Mormons if the Book of Mormon is a true book then Joseph Smith must of been a prophet of God.


Baptism by immersion  [Return to Topics]

Mormonism teaches "Baptism by immersion by a person having the proper authority is the only acceptable way of being baptized" (LDS GP Chap 20). Mormons believe baptism by immersion, mainly because it is the only form of baptism the gospels tell us about and the only form Christ himself participated in and subsequently approved of  (Why do Mormons believe in baptism by immersion?). Catholics practice baptizing by pouring and immersion.  Catholics hold to the apostolic tradition of pouring as taught in the Didache which is an early Christian manual written around A.D. 70 it says "baptize ... in living [running] water ... If you have no living water, then baptize in other water ... If you have neither, pour water three times on the head". The word baptism often means immersion but it can also refer to a figurative "baptism".

The Catholic Church continues with the words 

The early Church of Christ did both pouring and immersion. As Christians we are to "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (2Thes.2:15). Those who heard the word of the apostles committed the same words "to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" (2Tim.2:2).  The Catholic Church continues with the words "baptize ... in living [running] water ... If you have no living water, then baptize in other water ... If you have neither, pour water three times on the head" (CA - The Didache).  Immersion and pouring are both modes of baptism. " ...the early Church permitted pouring instead of immersion is demonstrated by the Didache," the Didache is an early Christian manual written around A.D. 70 (Baptism: Immersion Only? - CA).  The New Testament documents that the word baptism has different meanings, for example 1Cor.10:2 says, "Were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea".  Priesthood authority is not necessary for a valid baptism, the Catholic Church teaches "In case of necessity, any person, even someone not baptized, can baptize, if he has the required intention" (CCC1256).  

The Catholic Church teaches "Baptism consists in immersing the candidate in water or pouring water on his head" (CCC1278). "baptizo often means immersion ... Sometimes it just means washing up ... baptizo is used metaphorically. Sometimes a figurative "baptism" ... For example ..Jesus said, "I have a baptism [baptisma] to be baptized [baptizo] ..." (Luke 12:50) ... consider the case of being "baptized with the Holy Spirit." (CA - Baptism: Immersion Only). The Catholic Church teaches "Baptism ...  to baptize (Greek baptizein) means to "plunge" or "immerse"; the "plunge" into the water symbolizes the catechumen's burial into Christ's death, from which he rises up by resurrection with him, as "a new creature" (CCC1214) and that "It signifies and actually brings about death to sin and entry into the life ... Baptism is performed in the most expressive way by triple immersion in the baptismal water. However, from ancient times it has also been able to be conferred by pouring the water three times over the candidate's head" (CCC1239). The Catholic Church teaches "Immersion in water symbolizes not only death and purification, but also regeneration and renewal." (CCC1262)

The Catholic Church teaches: 


Baptism for the Dead  [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe baptism for the dead has been performed since the early days of the Church (LDS GP Chap 40). Mormonism does not teach the same ordinances as were performed in the days of Jesus. The early apostles did not perform baptism for the dead, in 1Corinthians 15:29 it is certain that Paul wasn't referring to orthodox Christians baptizing the dead. In 1Corinthians 15:29 Paul cites it as something in their experience that attests in one more way to belief in the resurrection, it is not mentioned with approval by the apostle Paul. There were some who practiced baptism for the dead during the time of the apostles but the apostles did not. John the Baptist is the prophet that would "turn the hearts of the fathers to the children", he would "to make ready a people prepared for the Lord" (Luke.1:17).

Mormonism does not teach the same ordinances as were performed in the days of Jesus. The early apostles did not perform baptism for the dead, in 1Corinthians 15:29 it is certain that Paul wasn't referring to orthodox Christians baptizing the dead (Mormonism's Baptism for the Dead - EWTN.com).  "... baptism--the only kind mentioned in the Bible--is for the living, not for the dead ... Once we've died, there is no chance to be baptized." (CA). The footnotes in the NAB for 1Cor 15:29 says "Baptized for the dead: this practice is not further explained here, nor is it necessarily mentioned with approval, but Paul cites it as something in their experience that attests in one more way to belief in the resurrection."   

Christ declared Elijah return to earth to be fulfilled in the coming of John the Baptizer (Mal.3; Matt 17:10-13). John is the prophet that would "turn the hearts of the fathers to the children", he would "to make ready a people prepared for the Lord" (Luke.1:17). The restoration of Israel described in the Old Testament began with the prophet John the Baptist (Isa.24:5; Rom.11). For Israel there was a famine for hearing the words of the Lord, they transgressed the laws, they changed the ordinance, they broke the everlasting covenant; and they killed their prophets (Amos.8:2-12Isa.24:5). God gave Israel a spirit of slumber, and eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear (Rom.11).  

"Baptism of desire is sufficient for salvation. It is not, though, the gateway to the other sacraments; for that you need water baptism. The need for water baptism after baptism of desire is confirmed by Peter's order to have the Gentiles water baptized even after they have received the gift of the Spirit (Acts 10:47-48)" (Catholic Answers). Those not baptized are not necessarily damned because with God all things are possible (Mark.16:16; Matt.19:25,26).  "God judges each person according to the graces he received while on earth ... The merits of Christ's sacrifice can be applied without baptism by water through baptism of desire." (Mormonism's Baptism for the Dead - EWTN.com).  


Original sin  [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe " ... original sin ... false doctrine ... men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.” (A of F 1:2)" (LDS Ensign, Apr 1977). Mormons believe the atonement compensates for the Fall of Adam and obviates original sin. (The Plan of Salvation).  Joseph Smith taught that it was not a “sin,” because God had decreed it ... Joseph Fielding Smith said: “I never speak of the part Eve took in this fall as a sin, nor do I accuse Adam of a sin. … This was a transgression of the law, but not a sin … for it was something that Adam and Eve had to do!” ... We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression” ... the act that produced the Fall was not a sin-inherently wrong-but a transgression-wrong because it was formally prohibited. (What Do Mormons Believe About Adam and Eve). Original sin is transmitted with human nature, the Bible reveals all have sinful flesh.  All men are implicated in Adam's sin, the Bible reveals all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. The apostle Paul taught original sin, the apostle Paul taught "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned ... For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous" (Rom 5:12, 19). Little children are an example of humility, little children are not an example of one not having original sin. 

The Bible reveals "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Rom.3:23).  Infants have what Catholics call "Original sin" which "is transmitted with human nature" (CCC419), infants have "sinful flesh" (Rom.8:3). Original sin is part of "the sin of the world" (Jn 1:29). The Catholic Church teaches "infants ... have not committed personal sin" (CCC403). Ezekiel 18:20 does apply to original sin because it is referring "the iniquity of the father" (Ezek.18:20), iniquity is different than "sinful flesh" (Rom.8:3).  Little children are held up as a model not because they don't have of original sin but because of their humility, Jesus says "Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child" (Matt.18:3-10). The Bible reveals all men are implicated in Adam's sin, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. 

The apostle Paul taught original sin, the apostle Paul taught "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned ... For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous" (Rom 5:12, 19). All men are implicated in Adam's sin, the Bible reveals "all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Rom.3:23; CCC402).  "The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Rom 6:23). The earliest Christians believed in original sin (Original Sin - CA). The apostle Paul contrasts the universality of sin and death with the universality of salvation in Christ, the apostle Paul said, "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life" (Rom 5:18). 

By disobeying God Adam sinned, sin is to him that knows to do good and does it not (James 4:14). We know Adam sinned because God held Adam responsible for disobeying his commandment, God told Adam "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"  (Gen.2:17), "the wages of sin is death" (Rom 6:23). Adam and Eve did not have to disobey their Father's commandment "thou shalt not eat of it" of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen.3:11,17), Adam and Eve could have asked God for wisdom ( James.1:5).  Original sin is a state and not an act, it is transmitted with human nature, which the Bible calls "sinful flesh"  (Rom.8:3). We are "by nature the children of wrath" (Eph.2:3). The earliest Christians believed in original sin (Original Sin - CA). Catholics believe infants "have not committed personal sin" (CCC403), "original sin is called "sin" only in an analogical sense" it is "a state and not an act" (CCC404). "Original sin is transmitted with human nature" (CCC419).


Adam's Fall  [Return to Topics]

The Book of Mormon reveals "Adam fell that men might be" (2 Nephi 2:25). Mormonism teaches that the fall of Adam "was a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all of us" (LDS GP Chap 6).  Mormons believe Adam fell that men might be and that they might have joy (Transgression And The Fall reference). The Bible does not reveal Adam's disobedience to God's commandment was a necessary step in the plan of life like Mormonism teaches. The Bible reveals obedience is a necessary step in the plan of life. The Bible does not reveal the fall was a great blessing to all of us like Mormonism teaches. The Bible reveals that the fall brought suffering and sin to all. It was not necessary that Jesus disobey God's commandment and fall like Adam to have joy and to know good and evil. It was not Adam's transgression that brought great blessings like Mormonism teaches, it was Jesus' obedience that brought great blessing to all of us, Jesus turned the fault into happiness. God has foreknowledge, He knew Adam and Eve would disobey His commandment, he promised a Redeemer for fallen mankind. Eve disobeyed God's commandment because she wanted to be wise. Eve could have asked God for wisdom instead of disobeying His commandment.

God's plan is for his children to obey His commands, not to disobey them like Adam. Adam had the choice to obey or disobey God's commandment. If Adam had trusted God he would have had eternal life. It was not necessary for Adam to fall to have joy, before the fall Adam and Eve had fullness of joy being in the presence of the Lord. It was not necessary for Adam and Evil to disobey God's commandment to know good and evil, Adam and Eve could have asked God for wisdom instead of disobeying their Father's commandment "thou shalt not eat of it" of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Jesus did not have to disobey his Father's commandment to know good and evil. It was not necessary for Adam and Eve to disobey God to have children, before the fall they were not mature enough to have children, they were like innocent children who "were not ashamed" that "they were both naked". Adam and Eve could have had children in the Garden of Eden once they matured, once they matured then they could have been "fruitful, and multiply", before the fall Adam and Eve were blessed by God to be fruitful and multiply. 

The early Christian Bishop Irenaeus said,

It was NOT necessary for Adam to fall to have joy, before the fall Adam and Eve had fullness of joy being in the presence of the Lord (Psalm.16:11)? Before the fall Adam and Eve had eternal life since they had access to the tree of life (Gen.3:22).  Before their fall, Adam knew God's commandment and he had a choice to obey or disobey it (Gen.3:17). After eating of "the tree of knowledge of good and evil", "the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked", Adam was "afraid" of God and he tried to hid (Gen 2:9; Gen 3:7.10).  It was NOT necessary for Adam and Evil to disobey God's commandment to know good and evil (2 Nephi 2:22-25), Adam and Eve could have asked God for wisdom ( James.1:5) instead of disobeying their Father's commandment "thou shalt not eat of it" of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen.3:11,17). Adam and Eve would have done good by obeying God's commandment (Gen.2:16). 

Jesus did not have to disobey his Father's commandment to know good and evil, Jesus "knew no sin" (2Cor.5:21).  It was NOT necessary for Adam and Eve to disobey God to have children, before the fall they were not mature enough to have children, they were like innocent children who "were not ashamed" that "they were both naked" (Gen.2:25). Adam and Eve could have had children in the Garden of Eden once they matured, once they matured then they could have been "fruitful, and multiply", before the fall Adam and Eve were blessed by God to be fruitful and multiply (Gen.1:28). Eve was selfish, instead of following her Father's commandment she followed her desire to be "wise" (Gen.3:6).  

Adam's fall was NOT a great blessing to all us (LDS GP Chap 6), men are blessed for obeying him, those who obey have the right to the tree of life (Rev.22:14)?  Because of the fall men have a physical body of "sinful flesh" (Rom 8:13), and all men have sin and come short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23; Rom 5:12,19), and all men die because death passed upon all men and condemnation (Rom 5:12, 16). By disobeying God Adam sinned, sin is to him that knows to do good and does it not (James 4:14), the wages of sin is death (Rom 5:16; Rom 6:23). Before the fall Adam and Eve had the fullness of joy because they were in the presence of the Lord (Psalm.16:11), after the fall Eve had sorrow, Eve's sorrow was multiplied and " in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children" (Gen.3:16). Adam and Eve will again experience the fullness of joy when they return to the presence of the Lord. The fall did not bring joy, the birth of their Redeemer brought joy (Luke.1:14), their sorrow will be turned to joy (John.16:20), when his glory is revealed, they will have full joy (1Pet.4:3; 1John.1:4).  It was not Adam's disobedience that brought great blessings like Mormonism teaches, it was Jesus' obedience that brought great blessing to all of us, Jesus turned the fault into happiness (Rom.5:19). God has foreknowledge (1Pet.1:2), he knew Adam and Eve would disobey His commandment, he promised a Redeemer for fallen mankind (Gen.3:15; Rev.13:8). 

God's plan for his children to obey His commands (Eph.6:1,2).  It was NOT NECESSARY for Adam and Evil to disobey God's commandment to know good and evil, Adam and Eve could have asked God for wisdom (James.1:5). It was NOT NECESSARY for Adam and Evil to disobey God's commandment to have children because before the fall Adam and Eve were blessed by God to be fruitful and multiply (Gen.1:28). It was NOT NECESSARY for Adam and Evil to disobey God's commandment to have joy because before the fall Adam and Eve had fullness of joy being in the presence of the Lord (Psalm.16:11). It was not Adam's transgression that brought great blessings like Mormonism teaches, it was Jesus' obedience that brought great blessing to all of us, Jesus turned the fault into happiness (Rom 5:19; CCC412).


The Gift of the Holy Ghost  [Return to Topics]

Mormonism teaches "Cornelius did not receive the gift of the Holy Ghost until after he was baptized" (LDS GP Chap 21). Mormons believe the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands (Mormon Rites).  The Bible reveals the gift of the Holy Ghost can be received before or after baptism. The Bible demonstrates unambiguously God giving Cornelius the gift of the Holy Ghost before Cornelius received water baptism. 

"Acts 10:45–47 demonstrates unambiguously God giving Cornelius the Holy Spirit (that sanctifying grace necessary for salvation) before Cornelius received baptism." (Catholic Answers). Cornelius received the gift of the Holy Ghost before he was water baptized or before hands were laid on him (Acts.10:45-48; Acts.11:15-18)? The gift of the Holy Ghost can be given at water baptism (Acts.2:38). The Holy Spirit can be given by the Apostles' imposition of hands (Acts 8:17-19; Acts.19:6). Priesthood authority is not necessary for a valid baptism, the Catholic Church teaches "In case of necessity, any person, even someone not baptized, can baptize, if he has the required intention" (CCC1256). The imposition of hands is rightly recognized by the Catholic tradition as the origin of the sacrament of Confirmation (CCC1288). A candidate for Confirmation who has attained the age of reason must profess the faith, be in the state of grace, have the intention of receiving the sacrament, and be prepared to assume the role of disciple and witness to Christ, both within the ecclesial community and in temporal affairs (CCC1319)  "Confirmation ... increases the gifts of the Holy Spirit in us" (CCC1303), is it by the "the laying on of hands" (CCC1288)


The Gifts of the Spirit  [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe: "The scriptures mention many gifts of the Spirit. These gifts have been given to members of the true Church whenever it has been on the earth" (LDS GP Chap 22). Catholics affirm that the gifts of the Spirit continue in today's church.

"Now concerning spiritual gifts ... the word of wisdom ... the word of knowledge ... gifts of healing ... miracles ... prophecy ... discerning of spirits ... tongues ... interpretation of tongues ... God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." (1Cor.12). "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts ... he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort ... he that prophesieth edifieth the church. ... when ye come together, everyone of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. ... Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. ... the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. ... If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. "(1Cor.14). "the vocation wherewith ye are called ...  some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God ... That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine " (Eph.4)

"The Second Vatican Council affirmed the legitimacy of charisms, both ordinary and extraordinary. A charism is simply "a grace freely given by God to build up the Church," as opposed to the graces given to sanctify the individual. St. Paul gives a list of charisms in 1 Cor. 12. They include ordinary charisms like teaching and administration and extraordinary ones like healing, miracles, and tongues. These things by themselves don't make the person holier, rather they enable him or her to serve others. Finally, the authenticity of charisms must be discerned, since charisms are not necessarily from the spirit of God (1 John 4). ... All such authentic charisms, therefore, are at the service of the Body of Christ, the Church (1 Cor 12, 14). As gifts of the Holy Spirit, they are supernatural graces beyond the power of human striving and human nature (e.g. miracle working), though some may build upon the natural talents of the recipient (e.g. teaching). St. Paul contrasts these charismata with "the greater gifts" of Faith, Hope and Charity (1 Cor. 13), which he says have lasting value. ... The Apostle John encourages us to test the spirits (1 John 4) and over the years the Church has developed criteria to determine whether the fruits are good or bad (Mt. 7:15-20). ... There is yet another dimension of the discernment which needs to be considered. Since charisms are given to build up the Church, there is no necessary connection with personal sanctity. Saints, sinners and even unbelievers have manifested these gifts. The pagan prophet Balaam was given the Divine spirit of prophecy in order to authenticate Israel as the People of God (Num. 22). Thus the moral state of the recipient (good or bad) does not by itself indicate a true or false charism. " (EWTN-Charismatic Renewal)


The Trinity [Return to Topics]

Mormons don’t teach the trinity ... (Do Mormons Believe in the Athanasius Creed?).  Mormons teach there are three Gods, these are Gods working in perfect harmony (Are Mormons Polytheists?). The Godhead ... three Gods (God And The Holy Trinity 2). Joseph Smith taught Jesus is one of "three Gods" (LDS Ensign Magazine, Mar 2008, 68-73 --- Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p370). The Mormon Bible Dictionary teaches that there are three Gods in the Godhead [God the Father (Elohim), God the Son (Jehovah), and God the Holy Ghost] (LDS BD - Godhead). The Mormon Bible Dictionary reveals that each is "a God" (LDS BD - God). Mormon scripture reveals "The Gods plan the creation" (The Book of Abraham 4:1-3). Joseph Smith's teaching of "three Gods" is contrary to the Bible, contrary to apostolic tradition, and is not logical ( it is illogical to say that there is one God and three Gods). Jesus taught "the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he" (Mark.12:32). The apostle Paul taught "there is none other God but one ... to us there is but one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ" (1Cor 8:4,6) and taught "there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1Tim.2:5). The apostle Paul said "there be that are called gods", here he is contrasting polytheism (v5) with monotheism (v4) (1Cor 8:4-6). The three distinct persons were never understood by the disciples of Jesus to be Gods, the apostle John understand the Son to be God, Paul wrote that God was manifest in the flesh. Jesus quoted Psalm 110 that revealed two distinct person who were each Lord, the Psalm did not reveal two Gods. The Bible reveals God was manifest in the flesh, the Word was God and become flesh. 

The principals of the doctrine of the Trinity are revealed in the Bible; the Bible reveals one God, three distinct persons, and that God was in Christ.  The Trinity has been at the very root of the Church's living faith, principally by means of Baptism, Christians are baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. The 1st and 2nd century Christian Bishops taught the principles of the doctrine of the Trinity.  The doctrine of the Trinity is a developed doctrine. The doctrine of Trinity is "one God in three persons". Each of the persons is God (the divine substance or nature). Jesus was God and man, in the man Jesus dwelt the fullness of the Godhead bodily.  Jesus did not pray to himself, the Father and the Son are distinct persons. When the Son prayed to the Father that makes two persons, not "two Gods" because we know that Jesus and his apostles taught "one God". Catholics do not believe in modalism, God does not have three "faces" or "masks". 

The Catholic Church teaches "the three divine persons act together as one". The Athanasian Creed teaches that the three distinct persons are not three Gods, but One God (one divine nature or substance) and that the three persons are in unity. Jesus said him and the Father were one, the Father dwelt in the Son and did the works.  The Son is one with the Father in that the Son does the will of the Father. By committing ourselves to Christ we can become one spirit with him and thereby accomplish his will. We can become one with him, for he enables us as the members of his Body.  God the Father is our loving Father who teaches and guides us, we can know our Heavenly Father. The Son one in being (consubstantial) with the Father, Jesus said him and the Father were one, the Father dwelt in the Son and did the works.  

The 1st and 2nd century Christian Bishops taught the principles of the doctrine of the Trinity (Ignatius was a 1st century bishop who was appointed by the apostle Peter, Irenaeus was a 2nd century bishop). 

The Catholic Church teaches: 

Catholics believe:


The Creeds [Return to Topics]

Mormons reject of all postbiblical creeds. Mormon believe God the Son told the boy prophet that all the “creeds” of the churches of that day “were an abomination in his sight” (The Great Apostasy and the Restoration). Joseph Smith said "I cannot believe in any of the creeds of the different denominations, because they all have some things in them I cannot subscribe to" (Joseph Smith Discourse, LDS Ensign Jun 1973, 40). The early apostolic church used creeds to summarize essential doctrines. Creeds summarize what the Bible reveals. A Creed is a profession of faith. Creeds clarify the mystery of godliness that God was manifest in the flesh. Jesus told his apostles that he had many things to say but that they could not bear at that time. Like Thomas we call Jesus our God and we believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. In Jesus dwells the whole fullness of the deity bodily.

Creeds are consistent with the doctrine of the Bible and are consistent with the teachings of the early apostolic church.  In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the Church had to develop her own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origin: "substance", "person" or "hypostasis", "relation" and so on. In doing this, she did not submit the faith to human wisdom, but gave a new and unprecedented meaning to these terms. The apostle John used Greek philosophical concepts to describe the concept of "the Word: (Greek logos) in the Gospel of John. 

Early Christian writers like Justin refer to "second God", this is reference to position (e.g. comes after), it is not a reference to numbers (e.g. two Gods). The Nicene creed states "God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God", which illustrates that the Father and the Son are distinct and illustrates that the Father and Son are NOT separate (e.g. two Gods) because the second Light cannot exist separately from the first Light. The Bible states that Jesus is the light of the world and that we are children of light, every good gift comes down from the Father of lights, God is light.

A creed is a profession of belief, from the beginning the apostles professed their belief as a summary of the principal truths of the faith (Rom 10:9; 1 Cor 15:3-5). Creeds clarify "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude.1:3). Creeds are consistent with the doctrine that comes from the Bible (2Tim.3:16). Creeds holds to the apostolic traditions which has been taught by the apostles words or by their epistles (2Thes.2:15).  Creeds clarify "the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh" (1Tim.3:16). Jesus said, "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now" (John 16:12).  The apostle Paul tells us "without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh" (1Tim.3:16). From the Bible we know that "some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction" (2Pet.3:16). During the first centuries, the Church sought to clarify her Trinitarian faith, both to deepen her own understanding of the faith and to defend it against the errors that were deforming it (CCC250). 

A creed is doctrine which comes from the Bible (2Tim.3:16). A creed is a profession of belief, from the beginning the apostles professed their belief as a summary of the principal truths of the faith (Rom 10:9; 1 Cor 15:3-5). Creeds clarify "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude.1:3). Creeds are consistent with the doctrine that comes from the Bible (2Tim.3:16). Creeds holds to the apostolic traditions which has been taught by the apostles words or by their epistles (2Thes.2:15).  Creeds clarify "the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh" (1Tim.3:16). Jesus said, "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now" (John 16:12).  The apostle Paul tells us "without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh" (1Tim.3:16). From the Bible we know that "some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction" (2Pet.3:16). 

The Catholic Encyclopedia says "The word Logos is the term by which Christian theology in the Greek language designates the Word of God, or Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Before St. John had consecrated this term by adopting it, the Greeks and the Jews had used it to express religious conceptions which, under various titles, have exercised a certain influence on Christian theology, and of which it is necessary to say something. ... It is in Heraclitus that the theory of the Logos appears for the first time, and it is doubtless for this reason that, first among the Greek philosophers, Heraclitus was regarded by St. Justin (Apol. I, 46) as a Christian before Christ."


Councils  [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe after the death of Jesus Christ, and the death of His apostles, there were no further prophets. This led to the Great Apostasy, in which many conflicts over doctrine arose and the people floundered as they tried to find truth.  (Mormon Prophets). Councils are used to clarify doctrine. A council was used by the apostles to clarify doctrine. At the council of Jerusalem there was much disputing by men, after the council prophets exhorted others. During the council of Nicaea, Constantine took no part in the deliberations of the Council; it was entirely an affair of the Church’s bishops. The Pope sent priests to represent him. The Council came to be recognized as ecumenical council when it received papal approbation later. The Church took advantage of the opportunities afforded by Constantine to develop doctrine. Development of doctrine defines, sharpens, and interprets the faith that was once delivered by the apostles. The council had the assistance of the Holy Spirit just like the council at Jerusalem during the time of the apostles. 

Mormons believe confusion and false doctrines about the Godhead were fashioned out of the Nicene Creed and Constantinople councils, where men declared that instead of three separate beings, the Godhead was three persons in one God, or the Trinity. (LDS Ensign May 2007, 92–94).  

The Trinity is not "three persons in one God", the Trinity is "one God in three persons ... each of them is God ... each of the persons is ... divine ... nature" (CCC253), "they are really distinct from one another" (CCC254), "three persons ... one nature or substance" (CCC255). The Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal (CCC266). "... the entry of God's creatures into the perfect unity of the Blessed Trinity [Jn 17:21-23] ... we are called to be a dwelling for the Most Holy Trinity ... [Jn 14:23]" (CCC260). The Catholic Church teachings on the doctrine of the Trinity are consistent with the Bible (see below):

  • one God in three persons - "in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col.2:9),  "God was in Christ" (2Cor.5:19)
  • each of them is God - "the Word was with God, and the Word was God ... the Word was made flesh" (John.1:1,14), "lie to the Holy Ghost ... lied ... unto God" (Acts.5:3,4)
  • divine ... nature - "divine nature" (2Pet.1:4)
  • they are really distinct - "God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (Eph.6:23), "kneeled down, and prayed ... Saying, Father" (Luke.22:41,42)
  • three persons - "the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matt. 28:19
  • their glory equal - "Who being the brightness of his glory" (Heb.1:3)
  • unity - "they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us ... that they may be one, even as we are one ... I in them, and thou in me"  (John 17:21-23),  "I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you ... we will come unto him, and make our abode with him" (John 14:20, 23), "I and my Father are one ... the Father is in me, and I in him" (John.10:30,38), "the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works" (John 14:10), "Father ... not my will, but thine, be done" (Luke.22:42)

Councils are used by the Church to clarify doctrine, like the early council at Jerusalem there is "much disputing" by men during the council (Acts.15). During the council of Nicaea, Constantine took no part in the deliberations of the Council; it was entirely an affair of the Church’s bishops (The Church of Nicaea -CA).  " ...the Church had to take advantage of the opportunities afforded by Constantine and his successors, even if these opportunities sometimes cost it something. Necessary developments of Church doctrine and life did emerge from some of the Church's interaction with the Empire. In the century and a quarter that followed the liberation of the Church by Constantine ..." (The Church Before Nicaea - CA).  "Development of doctrine defines, sharpens, and interpret the deposit of faith. ... the early Church developed words such as Trinity that are used to define and explain an essential Christian doctrine." (CA). The Church uses (I) the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity, (II) the term "person" or "hypostasis" to designate the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the real distinction among them (CCC252).   

During the first centuries, the Church sought to clarify her Trinitarian faith, both to deepen her own understanding of the faith and to defend it against the errors that were deforming it (CCC250). Councils are used by the Church to clarify doctrine, like the early council at Jerusalem there is "much disputing" by men during the council (Acts.15). During the council of Nicaea, Constantine took no part in the deliberations of the Council; it was entirely an affair of the Church’s bishops (The Church of Nicaea -CA). " ...the Church had to take advantage of the opportunities afforded by Constantine and his successors, even if these opportunities sometimes cost it something. Necessary developments of Church doctrine and life did emerge from some of the Church's interaction with the Empire. In the century and a quarter that followed the liberation of the Church by Constantine ..." (The Church Before Nicaea - CA).  "Development of doctrine defines, sharpens, and interprets the deposit of faith. ... the early Church developed words such as Trinity that are used to define and explain an essential Christian doctrine." (CA). The Church uses (I) the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity, (II) the term "person" or "hypostasis" to designate the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the real distinction among them (CCC252).   


Three Gods [Return to Topics]

Joseph Smith taught "three Gods" (LDS Ensign Magazine, Mar 2008, 68-73 --- Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p370). The Mormon Bible Dictionary reveals that there are three Gods in the Godhead [God the Father (Elohim), God the Son (Jehovah), and God the Holy Ghost] (LDS BD - Godhead). The Mormon Bible Dictionary reveals that each is "a God" (LDS BD - God). Mormon scripture reveals "The Gods plan the creation" (The Book of Abraham 4:1-3). Mormons believe there are three Gods, but who function as an entirely unified body. Mormons teach there are three Gods, these are Gods working in perfect harmony (Are Mormons Polytheists?). The Godhead ... three Gods (God And The Holy Trinity 2). It must be confusing for Mormons because Joseph Smith's taught "three Gods" and the Book of Mormon reveals "one God".  Neither Jesus nor his apostles taught "three Gods" like Joseph Smith, they taught "one God".  In Christ dwelt the fullness of the Godhead. It is illogical to say that there is one God and three Gods. No matter how closely together three gods work, they remain three gods, not one. The Mormon doctrine of "three Gods" does NOT come from the Bible and does NOT hold to apostolic tradition. 

The word Trinity is not in the Bible but neither are Joseph Smith's words of  "three Gods" in the Bible. The Bible reveals the principles of the doctrine of the Trinity which are “one God” (Mark 12:29,32) and “the Father … the Son, and … the Holy Ghost” (Matt. 28:19) and "God said, Let us make man in our image" (Gen.1:26). Gen 1:26 expresses a plurality which refers to God himself since God was "alone" at the time of creation (Isa 44:24). The Bible supports the doctrine of the Trinity, Acts 7:56 supports the notion that the Son and the Father are distinct persons like the Trinity (in a vision Stephen saw the Son of man standing on the right hand of God) and Acts 7:59 supports the notion Jesus is God like the Trinity (when Stephen called upon God he said Lord Jesus) (Acts 7:55-59).  Jesus is not a God among many Gods like Mormonism teaches, Jesus is God, in Jesus dwelt the fullness of the Godhead.  The Bible reveals God was manifest in the flesh. Like Thomas, Catholics call Jesus "our God" and we "believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God".

Jesus is not "a God" because "in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col.2:9). "God was manifest in the flesh" (1Tim.3:16), "the Word was God ... And the Word was made flesh" (John 1:1). The Father and the Son are two distinct persons (John.10:30) but they are not two separate Gods, the apostle Paul taught "to us there is but one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ" (1Cor 8:4-6).  John 1:1 reveals "the Word was with God, and the Word was God". When John 1:1 says "was with God" it reveals the Son of God is not "God the Father" (Eph.6:23). The Father and the Son are distinct persons and are one, Jesus tells us "I and my Father are one" (John.10:30:38). When John 1:1 says "was God" it signifies predication rather than identification, it signifies his "divine nature" (2Pet.1:4). John 1:1,14,34 reveals "the Word was God ...And the Word was made flesh ... this is the Son of God", "God was manifest in the flesh" (1Tim.3:16).  Like Thomas we call Jesus "our God" and we "believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" (John.20:28.31), "in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col.2:9).  

"From Latter-day Scripture and Prophets - “I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods” (Joseph Smith, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith [2007], 41–42)." ( LDS Ensign Magazine, Mar 2008, 68-73. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p370.)- http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=012cd9ab50758110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&hideNav=1)

"God the Father ... God the Son ... God the Holy Ghost ... is also a God" )The Mormon Bible Dictionary - http://lds.org/scriptures/gs/god-godhead?lang=eng)

"Mormons believe there are three Gods, but who function as an entirely unified body. Together, they form the Godhead ... The Supreme God is God the Father ... it is God the Father that Mormons call God and worship as such ... We teach that He is very literally our Father ... Jesus was His firstborn-the first spirit to be created ... While the Mormons do teach there are three Gods, these are Gods working in perfect harmony" (mormonchuch.com - http://www.mormonchurch.com/668/are-mormons-polytheists


God the Father is all spirit  [Return to Topics]

Mormonism teaches the Father of Jesus' has a body of flesh and bones (LDS GP Chap 1). Mormon scripture reveals that the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D&C 130). Mormonism teaches "Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith." (LDS GP Chap 17). God the father does not have a body of flesh and bones like Mormonism teaches. Jesus tells us God is a Spirit and that a spirit has not flesh and bones, meaning that the Father is a spirit, not that the Father has a spirit. The 2nd century Christian Bishop Irenaeus taught "the Father of all ... is ... without structure ... all spirit".  Joseph Smith could not have seen God the Father, God told Moses no one can see me and live. Moses did not see God as a human form, Moses saw his glory pass by, Moses saw the "back parts" of his glory, the glory of the Lord is like devouring fire. When the Bible says Moses spoke face to face with God, this does not mean that Moses saw our Heavenly Father's face but is a reference to the manner of speaking. God can be seen in a vision. In a vision Stephen saw the Son of man standing on the right hand of God, in a vision the objects are not necessarily the actual items, for example the apostle John saw Jesus as a lamb and a right hand in his vision. If God has an actual right hand, then it is not like man’s for God says my right hand has spanned the heavens. Men are made in our image, the Son was with the Father in the beginning, men are made in the image of the Son, the risen Son has a glorified body of flesh and bone, the Son like man is both spirit and body.

Mormons Believe: After a subsequent outpouring of modern scripture and revelation, this modern prophet declared, “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit” (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22). (The Great Apostasy and the Restoration). created “in the image of God” ... Father has a body of flesh and bones (Who/What is God?). Mormonism teaches the Father of Jesus' has a body of flesh and bones (LDS GP Chap 1). Mormon scripture reveals that the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D&C 130). Mormonism teaches "Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith." (LDS GP Chap 17). Joseph Smith said "I will prove that the world is wrong, by showing what God is ... God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man ... if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form ... God came to be God." (Joseph Smith's King Follett Sermon, LDS Ensign, Apr 1971,  13-14).  


The Pope [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe that there was no one left on earth with the power and authority to lead the Church or perform sacred ordinances such as baptism, conferral of the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the saving ordinances of the temple... the world fell into spiritual darkness (What is the Fulness of the Gospel?).  The apostles took care to appoint successors to pass on authority. The historical writings reveal that the apostles meet to choose and ordained men to replace them.  Clement, a first century bishop of Rome who was ordained by the apostle Peter, wrote "if they should die, other approved men should succeed to their ministry". The Apostles appointed bishops as their successors to pass on authority. Peter's successor was the Bishop of Rome, the Pope.   Ignatius, a 1st century bishop who was appointed by the apostle Peter, wrote that the church at Rome "holds the presidency" and "with the bishop presiding in the place of God". The second century bishop Irenaeus wrote ""Rome ... has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles". 

As Peter's successor, the Bishop of Rome, the Pope, has the power of the keys. The power of the keys designates authority to govern the house of God. Apostolic authority continued with the apostle's successors, the writings of the early Christian leaders shows that the apostle's choose bishops as their successors.  The second century bishop Irenaeus wrote "The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" and wrote "the ancient organization of the Church ... the succession of bishops". The unbroken succession of bishops transmits the apostolic authority. Ignatius, a 1st century bishop who was appointed by the apostle Peter, wrote "For what is the bishop but one who beyond all others possesses all power and authority, so far as it is possible for a man to possess it" and wrote "Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church". The early Christians wrote "Polycarp ... bishop of the Catholic Church ... combined both apostle and prophet in his own person" and "many brethren in the Church who possess prophetic gifts ... declare the mysteries of God". There can be only one bishop of Rome at one time.

Joseph Smith could not have restored authority from God because ordination is done with the physically laying on of hands by someone of authority. The Catholic Church teaches "... bishops as the successors of the apostles to hand on the "gift of the Spirit," the "apostolic line." (CCC1576). Peter's authority was continued through succession, apostolic succession involves the bishops serving as successors to the apostles, not serving as apostles (Successors of the Apostles - CA).  While the apostles were alive bishops were local leaders, when the apostles died the bishops continue to be overseers by the holy Ghost to protect the flock (Acts.20:17,28).  Bishops are proved (1Tim.3:10), they receive the gift that is given with the laying on of hands (1Tim 4:14), they are the stewards of God (Tit.1:7), they take care of the church of God (1Tim.3:5), and they hold fast to the faithful word that the apostles taught (Tit.1:9).  "Bishops fulfill the pastoral mission entrusted to the apostles and have all the powers which this mission entails" (Vatican). 

 


Apostles or Bishops  [Return to Topics]

Mormonism teaches "Apostles could not meet to choose and ordain men to replace those who were dead." (LDS GP Chap 16). Mormonism teaches "a pattern for twelve Apostles to govern the Church ... was to continue (LDS GP Chap 16).  The office of Apostle cannot continue because the twelve chosen by Christ had the requirement of being an eye witness to Christ's life on earth. The church contains those who have the vocation of apostle to edify the church, apostles like Barnabas continue but the apostle Barnabas was not part of the twelve apostles, the original twelve apostles were the foundation of the church. Polycarp, a 2nd century bishop, combined both apostle and prophet in his own person. Jesus was called an apostle.  The Bible reveals that before the apostles died they ordained bishops, these bishops could then ordain others like they were appointed. While the apostles were alive bishops were local leaders, when the apostles died the bishops continue to be overseers, made overseers by the holy Ghost to protect and feed the flock. Bishops are not apostles, bishops are the apostle's successors. Bishops are proved, they receive the gift that is given with the laying on of hands, they are the stewards of God, they take care of the church of God, and they hold fast to the faithful word that the apostles taught.  Bishops fulfill the pastoral mission entrusted to the apostles and have all the powers which this mission entails. Bishops as the successors of the apostles hand apostolic line through ordination, the physical laying on of hands by someone of authority. All Catholic bishops are part of a lineage that goes back to the time of the apostles. 

The office of twelve apostle can not continue after Jesus died because no person can meet the office's requirements of being a eye witness of Jesus’ life and resurrection (Acts.1:8-26).  The twelve apostles are the foundation of the Church (Eph 2:20).  The twelve apostles were witnesses of all things which Jesus did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem, they ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead (Acts.10:39-41). The twelve apostles of the Lamb (Rev 21:12,14) were chosen and ordained by Jesus, they were witnesses that were with Jesus from the beginning (John.15:16-27). They were eye witnesses (2Pet 1:15; Acts 2:32). In the church there are some who have the vocation of apostle to edify the church (Eph 4:1-12). Jesus was called an apostle (Heb 3:1). In addition to the twelve apostles there were those who were called apostle like Barnabas and Paul who were sent out to teach and preach the word of the Lord (Acts 14:14; Acts 15:22-35). There are also false apostles who are deceitful workers, who transform themselves into the apostles of Christ (2Cor 11:13; Rev 2:1-2). 

While the apostles were alive bishops were local leaders, when the apostles died the bishops continue to be overseers, they are made overseers by the holy Ghost to protect the flock (Acts.20:17,28).  Bishops are proved (1Tim.3:10), they receive the gift that is given with the laying on of hands (1Tim 4:14), they are the stewards of God (Tit.1:7), they take care of the church of God (1Tim.3:5), and they hold fast to the faithful word that the apostles taught (Tit.1:9).  "Bishops fulfill the pastoral mission entrusted to the apostles and have all the powers which this mission entails" (Vatican). The Bible reveals that before the apostles died they ordained bishops, these bishops could then ordain others like they were appointed (Tit.1:51).  The historical evidence supports succession, the historical writings reveals that the apostles meet to choose and ordained men to replace them (see below):

The office of twelve apostle can not continue after Jesus died because no person can meet the office's requirements of being a eye witness of Jesus’ life and resurrection (Acts.1:8-26).  The twelve apostles are the foundation of the Church (Eph 2:20).  The twelve apostles were witnesses of all things which Jesus did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem, they ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead (Acts.10:39-41). The twelve apostles of the Lamb (Rev 21:12,14) were chosen and ordained by Jesus, they were witnesses that were with Jesus from the beginning (John.15:16-27). They were eye witnesses (2Pet 1:15; Acts 2:32). In the church there are some who have the vocation of apostle to edify the church (Eph 4:1-12). The church contains those who have the vocation of apostle to edify the church, apostles like Barnabas continue but he was not part of the twelve apostles, the original twelve apostles were the foundation of the church. Jesus was called an apostle (Heb 3:1). In addition to the twelve apostles there were those who were called apostle like Barnabas and Paul who were sent out to teach and preach the word of the Lord (Acts 14:14; Acts 15:22-35). Jesus was called an apostle (Heb 3:1). There are also false apostles who are deceitful workers, who transform themselves into the apostles of Christ (2Cor 11:13; Rev 2:1-2). After the apostles died, there were apostles and prophets, for example the Bishop Polycarp was described as having "combined both apostle and prophet in his own person" (Private Revelation - CA)". After the apostles died, revelation continued, an early Christians wrote "many brethren in the Church who possess prophetic gifts ... declare the mysteries of God" (Private Revelation - CA).  

Clement, a first century bishop of Rome who was ordained by the apostle Peter, wrote "if they should die, other approved men should succeed to their ministry". The Apostles appointed bishops as their successors to pass on authority. Peter's successor was the Bishop of Rome, the Pope.   Ignatius, a 1st century bishop who was appointed by the apostle Peter, wrote that the church at Rome "holds the presidency" and "with the bishop presiding in the place of God". The second century bishop Irenaeus wrote ""Rome ... has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles". As Peter's successor, the Bishop of Rome, the Pope, has the power of the keys. The power of the keys designates authority to govern the house of God. Apostolic authority continued with the apostle's successors, the writings of the early Christian leaders shows that the apostle's choose bishops as their successors.  The second century bishop Irenaeus wrote "The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" and wrote "the ancient organization of the Church ... the succession of bishops". The unbroken succession of bishops transmits the apostolic authority. Ignatius, a 1st century bishop who was appointed by the apostle Peter, wrote "For what is the bishop but one who beyond all others possesses all power and authority, so far as it is possible for a man to possess it" and wrote "Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church". The early Christians wrote "Polycarp ... bishop of the Catholic Church ... combined both apostle and prophet in his own person" and "many brethren in the Church who possess prophetic gifts ... declare the mysteries of God".   


Calling Priest Father  [Return to Topics]

When Jesus says "call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven", he was using exaggeration to make a point to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers.  Common sense tells us that Jesus wasn’t forbidding the use of the word "father", no one would deny a little girl the opportunity to call a natural parent "father". In the New Testament, the apostle Paul says that he became the father of converts in Christ Jesus through the gospel. Paul refers to others as his child and his son.

There are examples in the New Testament where the term "father" is not used for our Father in heaven, for example "our father Abraham" (Acts.7:2). When Jesus says "call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven" (Matt.23:9), he "was using hyperbole (exaggeration to make a point) to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers" (CA-Call No Man Father). "Certainly Christians agree that Jesus' prohibition against calling anyone "father" does not preclude the honor due to natural parents" (CA-Call No Man Father?). Priests are not "the chief Shepherd" (1Pet.5:4). 


Celibacy  [Return to Topics]

Mormonism teaches "each of us has been commanded to marry and have children" (LDS GP Chap 36) and that "the goal of every Latter-day Saint" is an "eternal marriage" in a Mormon temple (LDS GP Chap 38). Mormons believe marriage is necessary for the highest degree of exaltation (Covenants). Mormonism teaches those "who become gods, must also have been married for eternity in the temple" (LDS GP Chap 46). Mormonism teaches "our exaltation depends on marriage" (LDS GP Chap 38) and that "exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life God lives" (LDS GP Chapter 47). The Mormon commandment of marriage is contrary to what the Bible reveals. Both Christ and the apostle Paul taught celibacy and marriage. Jesus taught some choose to voluntarily renounce marriage for the kingdom of heaven's sake.  Jesus says that celibacy is not for all but only for those to whom that is granted by God. Jesus says those who can accept celibacy ought to accept it. In Matt 19:12, Jesus describes a class of eunuch who have voluntarily renounced marriage (literally, "have made themselves eunuchs") for the sake of the kingdom, i.e., to devote themselves entirely to its service. The NAB Footnote for Matt 19:12 says "Some scholars take the last class to be those who have been divorced by their spouses and have refused to enter another marriage. But it is more likely that it is rather those who have chosen never to marry, since that suits better the optional nature of the decision: whoever can . . . ought to accept it.".  In Matthew 19 Jesus supports the celibate life, advocates marriage, and denouncing divorce just like the Catholic Church.  The fact that the apostle Peter was married is not contrary to the Catholic Church teachings on celibacy, celibacy is not an unchangeable dogma but is a disciplinary rule. Some, like Adam and Eve, are called to be man and wife.

Celibacy is not "unnatural". The apostle Paul also supported the celibacy that Jesus is describing.  Jesus and Paul taught celibacy is a gift that is granted to some. The apostle Paul encouraged celibacy in order to free a man to be anxious about the things of the Lord and to serve him undividedly. The apostle Paul viewed marriage and being unmarried as a particular spiritual gift from God. The Apostle Paul associated being unmarried with a calling.   The apostle Paul endorses celibacy for those who care for the things the belong to the Lord, those who are celibate are able to attend upon the Lord without distraction. The apostle Paul says the celibate life is good and that the celibate life pleases the Lord. Paul’s conclusion is that the one who does not marry will do better. Paul in his words, "... to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I . . . . I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. ... I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction. . . .he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better." (1 Cor. 7:8, 32-35, 38). The NAB Footnotes for 1 Corinthians 7 says "... marriage and celibacy may be viewed in the light of Paul's theology of spiritual gifts ... Paul was obviously unmarried when he wrote this verse. Some interpreters believe that he had previously been married and widowed; there is no clear evidence either for or against this view".  The New American Bible (NAB) is "is the achievement of some fifty biblical scholars, the greater number of whom, though not all, are Catholics." (Preface to the New American Bible). 

The Mormon commandment of marriage is contrary to what the Bible reveals. Jesus tells us that being unmarried is not for all but only for those to whom that is granted by God (Matt 19:11). The apostle Paul viewed marriage and being unmarried as a particular spiritual gift from God (1Cor 7:7). The Apostle Paul associated being unmarried with a calling (1Cor 7:6-40). Some, like Adam and Eve, are called to be man and wife (Gen.1:21-281; Gen.2:18-25).  

Men can become "gods" or sons of God by entering into communion with the word (John.10:35). By becoming sons of God they can be heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ (Rom.8:17).  All those justified will be made perfect (Heb 12:23). Men can become like God in terms of eternal life, holiness, and righteousness (1John.3:2-9; 1John.5:1-13; Heb.12:10; Eph.4:24).  The apostle Paul said "there be that are called gods", here he is contrasting polytheism (v5) with monotheism (v4) (1Cor 8:4-6).  Our God is God of gods, Satan is called "the god of this world" (Deut.10:17; 2Cor. 4: 4).  Adam and Eve were called "gods" and became "as one of us" even thou they weren't perfect (Gen.3:5,22).  Other scriptures reveal gods, such as Psalm 82 and Psalm 89. " Hebrew 'elohim, the ordinary word for "God" or "the gods" or members of the heavenly court." (NAB Psalm 8).

Mormonism teaches "An eternal marriage must be performed by one who holds the sealing power" (LDS GP Chap 38).  Scripture and the Catholic Church reveals "marriage is a reality of this present age which is passing away [Mk 12:25; 1 Cor 7:31]" (CCC1619) and that "The consent by which the spouses mutually give and receive one another is sealed by God himself [Mk 10:9]. ...  The covenant between the spouses is integrated into God's covenant with man" (CCC1639). Sacraments are "the masterworks of God" in the new and everlasting covenant" (CCC1116). The Bible does not teach the Mormon version of eternal marriage, the Bible reveals the union is between Christ, the Bridegroom, and His body of believers, who are the bride (2 Cor 11:2). In the New Testament Marriage has a renewal "in the Lord" in the New Covenant of Christ and the Church (1 Cor 7:39; Eph 5:31-32). 

The Bible reveals that those who humble themselves shall be exalted (Luke.18:14).  God exalted Christ because he "humbled himself, and became obedient unto death" (Phil 2:8-9). Whoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (John.3:15). The righteous go away into eternal life, they shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father (Matt.25:46; Matt.13:43).  "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom 6:23).  The Son of man shall reward every man according to his works, those who love their enemies and do good will have a great reward (Luke.6:35,36; Matt.16:27).

The Catholic Church does not "Forbidding to marry" (1Tim.4:3) when it makes celibacy mandatory for priests. They may choose married or celibate life according to where the Lord is calling them. Catholic priests "have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it" (Matt.19:12). "By reading Paul's words on marriage and celibacy in context, it becomes clear that forbidding marriage is one thing and freely making a vow of virginity is another. ... Paul recognized the wisdom in this, and encouraged celibacy in order to free a man to be anxious about the things of the Lord and to serve him undividedly (1 Cor 7:8,32-35,38) ... Didn't Paul say that a bishop had to be "the husband of one wife?" (1Tim.3:2,4-5). The point of Paul's teaching  is not that a man must be married in order to be a bishop, but that a bishop may not be married more than once. ... A man who never marries does not violate the rule." (CA-How To Argue For Priestly Celibacy). "Catholics do not deny that some of the early popes were married or that celibacy ... did not become mandatory until the early Middle Ages ... It came to be thought that priests could better fulfill their duties if they remained unmarried ... Paul said he thought celibacy was the more perfect state (1 Cor 7:28b), noting that "[t]he unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife" (1 Cor. 7:32–33). ... the practice of clerical celibacy, even taking vows of celibacy, is thoroughly biblical ... Marriage is a good thing (in fact, Catholics acknowledge that Christ elevated it to a sacrament), but it is something that priests are willing to forgo for the sake of being better priests. ... No one is forced to be a priest (or a nun for that matter), so no Catholic is forced to be celibate. Those who want to take the vows of the religious life should not object to following the rules. That does not mean that the rules, as found at any one time, are ideal or cannot be modified—after all, they are not doctrines, but matters of discipline." (CA-Catholic). Celibacy is not for everyone, "Our Lord makes this very clear when he says, "Not all men can accept this precept, but only those to whom it is given. . . . There are those who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this let him receive it" (Matt. 19:11–12)." (CA-Celibacy Is a Gift). 


Priest Forgive Sin  [Return to Topics]

Only God can forgive sin. Jesus could forgive sins, Jesus is our great high priest who intercedes for us with his Father.  Jesus’ priesthood was given to men so that they could continue his earthly work of forgiving sins. After Jesus rose from the dead he gave the apostles authority to forgive sins.  A priest is not God, but the priest has the power to confer or convey the forgiveness of God, not by his own power but by the power that Christ conferred on his apostles.  The priest stands in the place of Christ to declare the sinner forgiven.

"Only God can forgive sins ... In John 20:19–23 ... If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained. ... sounds like he is giving the apostles authority to forgive sins." (CA-How Can a Priest Forgive Sin?)


Unam Sanctum  [Return to Topics]

Catholics hold to the apostolic tradition that every man is subject to the Apostolic Church.  The Apostolic Church has the power bind and loose. 

Ignatius, a 1st century bishop who was appointed by the apostle Peter, taught 

Unam Sanctum lays down the "it is necessary that every human creature be subject to the authority of the Roman pontiff ... the one Church for salvation, and on the pope as the one supreme head of the Church ...This has been the constant teaching of the Church" (Catholic Encyclopedia). The Catholic Church represents the "one body" we are all baptized into (1Cor.12:13) whose "head" is Christ and the head of Christ is God (1 Cor 11:3). In the Catholic Church there "One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Eph 4:5). Jesus says there is "one fold, and one shepherd" (John.10:16). Outside of the one apostolic church there is no salvation, the one Church is prefigured by the one ark of Noah, those outside the ark were not saved (2Pet.2:5). Peter's successor, the Bishop of Rome, is the Vicar of Christ, he alone has "the keys of the kingdom of heaven" (Matt.16:19) and he " shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Matt.18:18).   

Unam Sanctum also lays down the proposition that "proclaims the subjection of the secular power to the spiritual as the one higher in rank, and draws from it the conclusion that the representatives of the spiritual power can install the possessors of secular authority and exercise judgment over their administration, should it be contrary to Christian law" (Catholic Encyclopedia). Scripture reveals "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation." (Rom.13:1-2) and "he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man" (1Cor.2:15). 


Creation out of Nothing  [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe that the earth was created out of unorganized matter and not created ex nihilo, or out of nothing. Mormon scripture reveal that the Lord organized elements that had already existed. He did not create the world “out of nothing,” as some people believe. Mormons believe the word create came from the word baurau, which does not mean to create out of nothing; it means to organize; the same as a man would organize materials and build a ship. (The Creation). Scripture and the writings of the early Christians affirm that God created out of nothing. God is before all things. On the first day he created matter itself, on the remaining days he organized that matter. God created everything good, God did not create evil. God created Satan good and with the free will to choose or reject God, Satan rejected God and became evil by his own free will. Scripture (2 Maccabees 7:28) supports that God created out of nothing.  The early Christians taught God created out of nothing. The early Church Fathers are the links that hand down the traditions of the apostles. Catholics continue in the Biblical concept to stand fast and hold to the traditions which we have been taught by word or epistle and continue in the things which we have learned and have been assured of, knowing of who we learned them from. Catholics maintain the traditions as delivered by the apostles. 

Mormons Believe: The earth was created out of unorganized matter and not created ex nihilo, or out of nothing. (The Creation). From scripture revealed through the Prophet Joseph Smith, we know that in the work of the Creation, the Lord organized elements that had already existed (see Abraham 3:24). He did not create the world “out of nothing,” as some people believe. “Now the word create came from the word baurau, which does not mean to create out of nothing; it means to organize; the same as a man would organize materials and build a ship.  Hence we infer that God had materials to organize the world out of chaos—chaotic matter, which is element, and in which dwells all the glory.  Element had an existence from the time He had.  The pure principles of element are principles which can never be destroyed; they may be organized and reorganized, but not destroyed.  They had no beginning, and can have no end” (Teachings of Joseph Smith, pp. 350-352). (The Creation). 

Two statements from Joseph Smith's King Follett sermon show how radically Joseph Smith's understanding of creation departs from the classical Christian notion.

Scripture and the writings of the early Christians affirm that God created out of nothing. God is before all things. On the first day he created matter itself, on the remaining days he organized that matter. God created everything good, God did not create evil. God created Satan good and with the free will to choose or reject God, Satan rejected God and became evil by his own free will. 

God is from everlasting to everlasting, The writings of early Christians teach us that on the first day God created out of nothing the elements of heaven and earth and in the following days God organized those elements he had created out of nothing. As Christians were are to hold to the written and oral traditions which we have been taught. The Catholic Church teaches "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth": [Gen 1:1] three things are affirmed in these first words of Scripture: the eternal God gave a beginning to all that exists outside of himself; he alone is Creator (the verb "create" - Hebrew bara - always has God for its subject). The totality of what exists (expressed by the formula "the heavens and the earth") depends on the One who gives it being (CCC290).  The Early Christians taught creation out of nothing: "First Of all, believe that there is one God who created and finished all things, and made all things out of nothing." (Hermas);  "On the first day God made what He made out of nothing. But on the other days He did not make out of nothing, but out of what He had made on the first day, by moulding it according to His pleasure" (Hippolytus ); "he called into existence the very material for his creation" (Irenaeus); "created matter itself ... the substance of creation was supplied to the Creator" (Irenaeus);  "While men, indeed, cannot make anything out of nothing, but only out of matter already existing, yet God is in this point proeminently superior to men, that He Himself called into being the substance of His creation, when previously it had no existence." (Irenaeus);  "The object of our worship is the One God, He who by His commanding word, His arranging wisdom, His mighty power, brought forth from nothing this entire mass of our world, with all its array of elements, bodies, spirits, for the glory of His majesty; whence also the Greeks have bestowed on it the name of Cosmos." (Tertullian)

Scripture, Early Christians and Catholics reveal Ex Nihilo (Creation out of Nothing):

The Catholic Church teaches "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth": [Gen 1:1] three things are affirmed in these first words of Scripture: the eternal God gave a beginning to all that exists outside of himself; he alone is Creator (the verb "create" - Hebrew bara - always has God for its subject). The totality of what exists (expressed by the formula "the heavens and the earth") depends on the One who gives it being (CCC290). It is evident from the first verse of the Bible that nothing existed, it says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen.1:1). On day 1 God gave a beginning to all that exists, the totality of what exists is expressed by the words "the heavens and the earth". But on the other days He did not make out of nothing, but out of what He had made on the first day, by organizing (Gen.1:8). Holy Scripture reveals Ex Nihilo (Creation out of Nothing), Gen.1:1 reveals "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" and 2Mac.7:28 reveals "God made them of things that were not". 

The words "without form and void" is verse 2, not verse 1. The organizing begins after verse 1. Verse 2 is a description of the chaos. Verse 1 reveals God creating out of nothing. In verse 2 there is something, in verse 1 there is nothing before God created the totality of what exists. Time and space come AFTER verse 1, for example verse 4 indicates there is space and verse 14 indicates there is time. I am learning that you do not read very well, I said "Gen 1:1 does not describe creating time and space". The nothing is before "God created the heaven and the earth" in Gen 1:1. Gen 1:1 does not describe organizing, organizing comes after verse 1. Gen 1:1 indicates that God is the cause, God is the one that created. The Bible also asserts that God is "eternal" and that God "is before all things, and by him all things consist". It is by God the Father "of whom are all things". The Catholic Church teaches God is "from beyond space and time". The Son of God was "the beginning of the creation of God" and is now resurrected with a glorified body. The Catholic Church teaches "In his risen body he passes from the state of death to another life beyond time and space." and "possesses the new properties of a glorious body: not limited by space and time but able to be present how and when he wills".


Pre-existence  [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe in a life preceding our existence on earth.  Mormons call this the “pre-existence,” “pre-earth-life,” or “premortal existence.” Before we were born on the earth, we lived in the presence of our Heavenly Father as His spirit children. In this premortal existence, we attended a council with Heavenly Father’s other spirit children. (The Pre-existence). The spirit of man did not pre-exist like Mormonism teaches. The Bible reveals God is the Father of spirits because God forms the spirit of man within him, He makes the soul, He has makes us from the womb. God has foreknowledge, he knew us before we are formed in the belly. Prophets like Jeremiah and John the Baptist are sanctified and ordained a prophet before they came forth out of the womb because they are filled with the Holy Ghost from their mother's womb. The Lord created Satan and all spirits with a command. 

Mormons Believe: We have always existed ... we lived with God as spirits is called the “pre-existence” or “premortal life.” ... (The Plan of Salvation). Mormons believe in a life preceding our existence on earth.  Mormons call this the “pre-existence,” “pre-earth-life,” or “premortal existence.” Before we were born on the earth, we lived in the presence of our Heavenly Father as His spirit children. In this premortal existence, we attended a council with Heavenly Father’s other spirit children. (The Pre-existence). In pre-mortal life many children of God were “foreordained” (appointed and assigned) to future assignments prior to their coming here upon the earth (see Jeremiah 1:5; ... We had agency pre-mortally. Those having chosen good, exercising much faith, were called to holy callings. We come with blessings and opportunities from our pre-mortal life.  ... Foreordination was and is part of the plan of salvation according to the foreknowledge of God and the righteousness of certain individuals in pre-mortal earth life. (Foreordination). He is literally the Father of our spirits (Hand of the Lord). Mormonism teaches " Every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ, so he is literally our elder brother ."  (LDS Gospel Principles Chapter 2 ) and "Two of our brothers ... Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah ... Satan ..."  (LDS Gospel Principles Chapter 3). 

The early Christian bishop Irenaeus taught, 

We were are not all spirit children born of heavenly parents, there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him (1Cor 8:6). We are the offspring of God because God created the first man by forming him of the dust of the ground and then breathing the breath of life into his nostrils, he then became a living soul, the first man is of the earth (Acts 17:29; 1Cor 15:47; Gen 2:7). We did not pre-exist as spirit children, God is the Father of spirits because God forms the spirit of man within him, He makes the soul, He has makes us from the womb (Heb 12:9; Isa 57:16; Zech 12:1; Isa 44:2). Men did not preexist before they were born, God has foreknowledge, he knew us before we are formed in the belly (1Pet 1:2; Jer 1:5). Prophets like Jeremiah and John the Baptist are sanctified and ordained a prophet before they came forth out of the womb because they are filled with the Holy Ghost from their mother's womb (Jer 1:5; Luke 1:15).  

Jesus was not born of heavenly parents,  Jesus was "the Word" in the beginning (John 1:1). The term "Word" (Greek logos) combines God's dynamic, creative word (Genesis), and personified preexistent Wisdom as the instrument of God's creative activity (Proverbs) (NAB for John 1:1). Jesus is called the "the firstborn of every creature" because he is "the beginning of the creation of God", he is "the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Col 1:15; Rev.3:14; Rev.22:13). The word firstborn has different usages, David was made "my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth" (Psalm 89:27) and Jesus is called "the beginning, the firstborn from the dead" (Col 1:18).   Satan was not born of heavenly parents, the Lord created Satan and all spirits with a command (Psalm 148:2-5; Neh.9:6).  The first man was not born of heavenly parents, his spirit was formed within his body of the dust, he became a living soul (Zech.12:1; Gen.2:7).


The Problem of Evil [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: God created everything good, God did not create evil.  God created Satan good and with the free will to choose or reject God, Satan rejected God and became evil by his own free will. God permits evil and respects the free will of his creatures in order to draw forth some greater good. God is not the cause of evil, God does not tempt anyone. God is all powerful and knows how to get good from evil. God created the universe journeying to perfection, by journeying to perfection God gives us greater blessings as we grow by seeking good, not evil.. God's understanding is infinite, man's wisdom and understanding is finite. 

Mormons Believe: The Prophet Joseph Smith received revealed insights that do address the problem of evil ... by denying the trouble-making postulate of absolute creation ... (Joseph Smith and the Problem of Evil). Mormonism attempts to resolve the problem of evil by denying creation out of nothing. Joseph Smith taught "God had materials to organize the world out of chaos ... The pure principles of element ... had no beginning and can have no end." (Joseph Smith's King Follett Sermon, LDS Ensign, Apr 1971,  13-14) and that "Man does exist upon the same principles" (Joseph Smith' King Follett Sermon", LDS Ensign, May 1971, 13).

The Problem of Evil - God created everything good, God did not create evil.  God created Satan good and with the free will to choose or reject God, Satan rejected God and became evil by his own free will. God permits evil and respects the free will of his creatures in order to draw forth some greater good. God is not the cause of evil, God does not tempt anyone. God is all powerful and knows how to get good from evil. God created the universe journeying to perfection, by journeying to perfection God gives us greater blessings as we grow by seeking good, not evil.. God's understanding is infinite, man's wisdom and understanding is finite. 

God is all-powerful. God gave his creatures free will.  Satan had the capacity of free will, he had the free will to follow God. The devil is the one that tempts, the devil is the cause of evil. God sent his Son to destroy the works of Satan.  Temptation is useful, as we depart from evil we grow in understanding. Temptation is useful so that we can grow to perfection. Sorrow is useful, suffering leads to perfect, the cross leads to perfection.  God has called us unto his eternal glory and after we have suffered a while he will make us perfect. The sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed.  . 

God is not the cause of evil, the devil is the cause of evil

God is from everlasting to everlasting. God is all-powerful. God's understanding is infinite. God created from nothing. On the first day God created the elements that he would organize in later days. In wisdom God made everything. God created all things for his pleasure. Everything God created was good. God created the heavens, angels, and man through commands. Man was created for God's glory. Man is called to glory and virtue, God has predestinated man unto adoption. God is a loving Father who teaches and guides us. God gave his creatures free will. God created the universe journeying to perfection. Satan was made good but became evil by his own free will. The Son of God was manifested to destroy the works of the devil. God permits evil in order to draw forth some greater good. God is all powerful and knows how to get good from evil. Eve was created good, she was tempted by Satan, she sinned because she wanted to be wise. Man's wisdom and understanding is finite. God can do all things, men do not understand all things. God is not the cause of evil, God does not tempt anyone, it is the devil that tempts, the devil is the cause of evil. Temptation is useful, as we depart from evil we grow in understanding. We grow by seeking good, not evil. Temptation is useful so that we can grow to perfection. Sorrow is useful, suffering leads to perfect, the cross leads to perfection. God has called us unto his eternal glory and after we have suffered a while he will make us perfect. The sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed. I know that all things work together for good to them that love God. God will judge those who do good and evil. God will make all things new, there is a new heaven and a new earth. In the end, unbelievers will have their part in the lake of fire. In the end, there shall be no more death and sorrow. 


Missionary task [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: We to are to speak the truth in love. Jesus taught the truth was that there is one God. Joseph Smith taught "three Gods", Joseph Smith does not teach the truth of "one God. We are to reason with Mormons out of the scriptures, scripture is useful for reproof (an act of criticism) and correction. We are to answer Mormons with meekness (a disposition to be patient).  The Spirit warned the church of the consequence of following a false prophet.  

We are to explain and give a defense for what we believe. I believe Catholicism is a pillar of truth which continues in the apostolic traditions which have been taught by the apostles through the written word or orally. I believe Mormonism is an example of the apostasy described in the Bible. Mormons have turned away from the faith taught by the apostles of Christ by following a false prophet named Joseph Smith who taught the heresy of "three Gods and Mormons have departed from the gospel of Christ by following a perverted gospel found in the Book of Mormon. 

The Bible testifies that Joseph Smith is a false prophet since he taught the heresy of "three Gods". The Bible testifies that the Book of Mormon contains a perverted gospel, the Book of Mormon teaches "we are saved, after all we can do” and the Bible teaches "by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God”. 

Testimonies:

·         Dave says, "I was born and raised in a Latter-Day Saints family ... As I read and studied ... Mormon teachings were often in direct conflict with the Bible ... it is my testimony that the Catholic Church is Christ's Church on earth. ... It is the Church Christ himself established, and its fundamental doctrines and creeds have not changed in two thousand years. They have remained constant, in harmony with the earliest Fathers of the Church ...." (Catholic Answers). 

The Bible reveals we "should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." (Jude.1:3).  The Italian Catholic theologian Saint Thomas Aquinas believed that truth is known through reason (natural revelation) and faith (supernatural revelation), he demonstrated gentleness in condemning what was false and fairness in pointing out the direction to true knowledge. The Catholic Church teaches: 

·         856 The missionary task implies a respectful dialogue with those who do not yet accept the Gospel. Believers can profit from this dialogue by learning to appreciate better "those elements of truth and grace which are found among peoples, and which are, as it were, a secret presence of God." They proclaim the Good News to those who do not know it, in order to consolidate, complete, and raise up the truth and the goodness that God has distributed among men and nations, and to purify them from error and evil "for the glory of God, the confusion of the demon, and the happiness of man."

·         849 The missionary mandate. "Having been divinely sent to the nations that she might be 'the universal sacrament of salvation,' the Church, in obedience to the command of her founder and because it is demanded by her own essential universality, strives to preach the Gospel to all men": "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and Lo, I am with you always, until the close of the age."

·         851 Missionary motivation. It is from God's love for all men that the Church in every age receives both the obligation and the vigor of her missionary dynamism, "for the love of Christ urges us on." Indeed, God "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth"; that is, God wills the salvation of everyone through the knowledge of the truth. Salvation is found in the truth. Those who obey the prompting of the Spirit of truth are already on the way of salvation. But the Church, to whom this truth has been entrusted, must go out to meet their desire, so as to bring them the truth. Because she believes in God's universal plan of salvation, the Church must be missionary.

·         91 All the faithful share in understanding and handing on revealed truth. They have received the anointing of the Holy Spirit, who instructs them and guides them into all truth.

·         2104 "All men are bound to seek the truth, especially in what concerns God and his Church, and to embrace it and hold on to it as they come to know it." This duty derives from "the very dignity of the human person." It does not contradict a "sincere respect" for different religions which frequently "reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men," nor the requirement of charity, which urges Christians "to treat with love, prudence and patience those who are in error or ignorance with regard to the faith."

·         2145 The faithful should bear witness to the Lord's name by confessing the faith without giving way to fear. Preaching and catechizing should be permeated with adoration and respect for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

·         Inter-religious dialogue ... requires an attitude of understanding and a relationship of mutual knowledge and reciprocal enrichment, in obedience to the truth and with respect for freedom".  (Second Vatican Council)

Jesus tells us "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations ... Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you" (Matt.28:19-20). Jesus was moved with compassion toward those who were "as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things" (Mark.6:34).  Jesus taught that we can know the truth by continuing in his words (John.8:31-32), we are to continue in the things which they have learned and have been assured of, knowing whom they learned it (2Tim 3:14). Some things like the Trinity are hard to understand, the Bible says "some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction" (2Pet.3:16). Those who hear the word of God but do not understand fall away, those who understand the word of God bring forth fruit to perfection (Luke.8:11-15).  Mormons have "gone astray" by following the false prophet Joseph Smith, they are entangled after they have "escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" (2Pet.2:15-20).  The apostle Peter tells "be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear" (1Pet.3:15).  “the Holy Ghost … shall teach you all things” (John.14:26).  Paul "reasoned with them out of the scriptures" (Acts.17:2). "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2Tim.3:16). No man will deceive us if "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (2Thes.2:15). We are to "grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen." (2Pet.3:18).  

Saint Irenaeus was a 2nd century apologist who, 

Pray for Mormons that they may deepen their understanding of God's plan of salvation in Christ:

"I kneel before the Father ... that he may grant you in accord with the riches of his glory to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inner self, and that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, rooted and grounded in love, may have strength to comprehend with all the holy ones what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. Now to him who is able to accomplish far more than all we ask or imagine, by the power at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen." (Eph 3:14-21).

Being Catholic makes a difference, an eternal difference. "non-Catholic Christians ...  can be saved if they earnestly seek to respond to God and to love him on the basis of the best information available to them. ... Jesus entrusted all the blessings of the new covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head. For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained ... the Catholic Church has been endowed with all divinely revealed truth and with all means of grace ...  what are we Catholics doing to help others share in our exalted condition?" (CA-Does Being Catholic Make A Difference?). The Catholic Church teaches:

·         860 " ...the apostles took care to appoint successors"

·         936 "The Lord made St. Peter the visible foundation of his Church. He entrusted the keys of the Church to him. The bishop of the Church of Rome, successor to St. Peter, is head of the college of bishops ..."

·         171 "The Church, "the pillar and bulwark of the truth", faithfully guards "the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints". She guards the memory of Christ's words; it is she who from generation to generation hands on the apostles' confession of faith [1 Tim 3:15; Jude 3]"

·         816 "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained."

·         819 "... Many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church ... Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation ..."

·         818 "... All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."

·         776 "... God desires "that the whole human race may become one People of God, form one Body of Christ, and be built up into one temple of the Holy Spirit."

Mormons have "gone astray" by following the false prophet Joseph Smith, they are entangled after they have "escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" (2Pet.2:15-20). As you witness to Mormons ask God for wisdom (James.1:5) and the Spirit of truth will guide you "into all truth" (John.16:13) and the Holy Ghost will teach you (John.14:26).  Reason with Mormons out of the scriptures (Acts.17:2), scripture is useful for reproof (an act of criticism) and correction (2Tim.3:16), answer Mormons with meekness (a disposition to be patient) (1Pet.3:15). Testify to Mormons that the Catholic Church is "the pillar and ground of the truth" (1Tim.3:15) which does "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (2Thes.2:15) and continues "in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them" (2Tim 3:14). I testify that the Bible testifies that Joseph Smith is a false prophet since he brought "heresies" (2Pet.2:1) and that the Book of Mormon is false since it "pervert the gospel of Christ" (Gal.1:7).  

Speak the truth in love (Eph.4:15). Jesus taught "the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he" (Mark.12:32) and that "the truth shall make you free" (John.8:32). Joseph Smith did not teach the truth, Joseph Smith taught "three Gods" (Joseph Smith Teachings - Ensign, Mar 2008, 68-73). Joseph Smith does not "continue in my word" (John 8:31). Mormonism is an example of "in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils” (1Tim.4:1). "The first Christians had no doubts about how to determine which was the true Church and which doctrines the true teachings of Christ. The test was simple: Just trace the apostolic succession of the claimants. Apostolic succession is the line of bishops stretching back to the apostles. All over the world, all Catholic bishops are part of a lineage that goes back to the time of the apostles" (Catholic Answers).  


Church History [Return to Topics]

Mormonism teaches "the true Church no longer existed" and that "the destruction of the Church was complete" (LDS GP Chap 16). The Bible reveals that the Lord set up a kingdom on earth that will never be destroyed, it shall stand for ever. The Bible reveals that the Church of the living God is the pillar of truth which is built on the rock of the faith confessed by the Peter. Our Lord declared to Peter "That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."  The inquisition, the crusades, and the inappropriate behavior of some priests reveal that some men in the body of Christ are not perfect. Christ is the head of the body of Christ. God's people are not perfect sometimes they sin, King David sinned against God. King David was a man after God's own heart who fulfilled God's will but yet he displeased the Lord when he ordered Joab to murder Uriah for him. Even though there are terrible episodes in the history of the Catholic Church these acts are the results of imperfect individuals.  

The inquisition, the crusades, and the inappropriate behavior of some priests are not events that characterize the apostasy described in the New Testament. The apostasy that is prophesied by the New Testament is that some will depart from the doctrine of the apostolic Church. Mormonism is an example of the apostasy described in the New Testament. Mormonism has departed from the doctrine of the apostolic Church with Joseph Smith's teaching of "three Gods" and the Book of Mormon's perverted gospel which says "we are saved, after all we can do”. Joseph Smith is an example of a ravenous wolf that comes in sheep's clothing to draw disciples after him which the Bible warns Christians of. Some people try to blame events such the inquisition, the crusades, and the inappropriate behavior of some priests on an entire religion but it is not proper to conclude from these events that the Catholic Church is not the Church of Christ. These episodes shouldn't affect our faith in the Catholic Church because our faith is based on Jesus Christ, not on any person in the Church. As Christians we know that all things work together for good to them that love God. The sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed. We ask God to forgive the priests who act inappropriate because they know not what they do. God will judge those who do good and evil.

Christians know that things work for the good and glory of God and know that the sufferings now are nothing compared to the glory in eternal life. 

The terrible events in history, The church remains the pillar of truth, which is build on the rock and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 

Paul warned that grievous wolves would enter into the church. 

The Church is an organization of men and the Church is the body of Christ. Inappropriate priestly behavior is not evidence that the Catholic Church is not the body of Christ, inappropriate priestly behavior is evidence that some priest are not perfect. There is reason to believe that the community of Saints that Jesus launched would last because the apostolic church is built on the rock and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The apostasy prophesied in the Bible is not about items such as the crusades, the inquisition, or inaproiate behavior of priests but doctrinal deviations from the true Christian message. Mormonism is an example of the apostasy described in the Bible, Mormons have departed from the apostolic faith with Joseph Smith's teaching of "three Gods". Mormonism is an example of wolves that come in sheep's clothing that pervert the truth to draw the disciples after them, the gospel found in the Book of Mormon perverts the gospel of Christ. 

The head of the body of Christ, the church, remains perfect and his authority. Even though the actions of some members in the body of Christ during these events were not perfect this does not effect the authority or doctrine of the living Church of God, the church remains the pillar of truth which is built on ... the apostasy described in the New Testament is about doctrine and ravenous wolves that draw disciples away. Christians know that things work for the good and glory of God and know that the sufferings now are nothing compared to the glory in eternal life. We ask that God the Father like Jesus to forgive them because they don't know they are doing.

Catholics are part of an institution that is called the body of Christ, this body contains some members that are not perfect. Catholics are part of institution that is the pillar of truth and are part of a kingdom on earth that the Bible reveals will never be destroyed and which will stand for ever. Catholics are part of an organization that has authority because it has direct links to the Apostles through apostolic succession. Catholics are part of an organization where revelation remains present and active. Catholics put their trust in God. 

Catholics are not part of an organization like Mormonism whose founder is a false prophet who taught the heresy of "three Gods" and whose scriptures teach a perverted gospel. Catholics are not part of an organization like Mormonism that teaches a different God and a different Jesus than the apostles taught. Catholics are not part an organization like Mormonism, an organization that does not continue with the teachings of Jesus, an organization that does not hold to the apostolic traditions which have been taught by the written word and orally.

Mormon history includes the Mountain Meadows massacre, taught blacks were cursed, Joseph Smith's practice of polygamy, Joseph Smith's teaching of "three Gods".

·         The Mountain Meadows massacre 

·         Black people cursed   

·         Joseph Smith had many wives, some young

·         Joseph Smith taught three Gods

Catholic History

"The Church contains within itself all sorts of sinners and knaves, and some of them obtain positions of responsibility. Paul and Christ himself warned us that there would be a few ravenous wolves among Church leaders (Acts 20:29; Matt. 7:15). ... it is not proper to conclude, from the existence of the Inquisition, that the Catholic Church is not the Church of Christ. ... it is easy to see how those who led the Inquisitions could think their actions were justified." (CA-The Inquisition). God's chosen leaders are not perfect, sometimes they sin, in the Old Testament King David was "a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will" (Acts.13:22) but yet he "displeased the LORD" when he ordered Joab to murder Uriah for him (2Sam.11:27).


Which Church is Right [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: We can tell which Church is right by searching the scriptures to see if things are so. We can tell which Church is right if it holds to the apostolic traditions which have been taught by word and orally. We can tell which Church is right if it continues in the things which we have learned from Jesus and his apostles. The apostles of Christ taught other faithful men. The Catholic Church has undergone changes but these changes are not contrary to the apostolic traditions which have been taught by word and orally. Catholics are not Bible only, some parts of Catholicism are not explicit in Scripture but at the same time these parts are not in contradiction to Scripture.

Mormons Believe: That was the first time I felt something different. ... I will never forget the feeling of something beyond me encouraging me to ignore the attitudes of worldliness and seek for the world of a better. (How do I know The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true?). The founder of Mormonism Joseph Smith said, "My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. ….I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt …”) (Joseph Smith--History 18-19).  

Early investigators of Christianity believed after they "received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." (Acts.17:11). The first Christians had no doubts about how to determine which was the true Church and which doctrines the true teachings of Christ. The test was simple: Just trace the apostolic succession of the claimants. Apostolic succession is the line of bishops stretching back to the apostles. All over the world, all Catholic bishops are part of a lineage that goes back to the time of the apostles" (Catholic Answers). 

·         Loren says, "As a full-time Mormon missionary from 1975 to 1977, I lied for the church countless times ... touted many Mormon teachings that contradict the Bible." (Ten Lies I Told as a Mormon Missionary - mrm.org)


Tithing  [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: Tithing was an Old Testament obligation that was incumbent on the Jews under the Law of Moses. Christians are dispensed from the obligation of tithing ten percent of their incomes, but not from the obligation to help the Church.  God doesn't demand a fixed amount of money from us; he wants us to give from the heart.

Mormons Believe: The law of tithing, as observed by the Church today (Practical Religion). Mormons are taught that before they can be married in a Mormon temple they must be worthy, they are asked questions like: Do you have a firm testimony of the restored gospel? Do you sustain the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator? Are you a full-tithe payer? Do you keep the Word of Wisdom? (LDS GP Chap 38). 

"... tithing was an Old Testament obligation that was incumbent on the Jews under the Law of Moses. Christians are dispensed from the obligation of tithing ten percent of their incomes, but not from the obligation to help the Church ... God doesn't demand a fixed amount of money from us; he wants us to give from the heart." (Catholic Answers).  


Paid Clergy [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: It is biblical for paying clergy, Paul says if we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

Mormons Believe: There is no paid ministry (A Lay Clergy: The Value of Service).

It is biblical for paying clergy, Paul says "If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?" (1Cor 9:11; CA).


Mass in a language unknown  [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: When the mass was in latin a Latin-English missal was provided.

Mormons Believe: Joseph Smith claimed that the Savior told him that the teachings of present churches were "an abomination in his sight" (LDS GP Chap 17). Mormonism teaches "error crept into Church doctrine, and soon the destruction of the Church was complete." (LDS GP Chap 16)

"prior to Vatican II, Latin-English missals with side-by-side texts were used at Mass, so the faithful could follow along and not miss a word. Usually the priest read the Gospel first in Latin, then in the vernacular. ... Latin was used in the Mass for centuries because it is the official language of the Church. Cardinal Arinze says that Latin "suits a Church that is universal. It has a stability modern languages don’t have . . . " In Mediator Dei, Pope Pius XII calls the use of Latin in the liturgy "an effective antidote for any corruption of doctrinal truth." (Catholic Answers). 


Indulgences  [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: Indulgences are based on principles straight from the Bible.

Mormons Believe: Joseph Smith claimed that the Savior told him that the teachings of present churches were "an abomination in his sight" (LDS GP Chap 17). Mormonism teaches "error crept into Church doctrine, and soon the destruction of the Church was complete." (LDS GP Chap 16)

Indulgences are part of the Church’s teaching, the Catholic Church teaches 

"Jesus paid the price for our sins before God, he did not relieve our obligation to repair what we have done ... if you steal someone’s car, you have to give it back; it isn’t enough just to repent ... God uses the Church when he removes temporal penalties. This is the essence of the doctrine of indulgences ... Scripture tells us God gave the authority to forgive sins "to men" (Matt. 9:8) and to Christ’s ministers in particular. Jesus told them, "As the Father has sent me, even so I send you. . . . Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained" (John 20:21-23). ... If Christ gave his ministers the ability to forgive the eternal penalty of sin, how much more would they be able to remit the temporal penalties of sin! Christ also promised his Church the power to bind and loose on earth, saying, "Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" (Matt. 18:18). As the context makes clear, binding and loosing cover Church discipline, and Church discipline involves administering and removing temporal penalties (such as barring from and readmitting to the sacraments). Therefore, the power of binding and loosing includes the administration of temporal penalties. ... From the beginning the Church recognized the validity of praying for the dead so that their transition into heaven (via purgatory) might be swift and smooth. This meant praying for the lessening or removal of temporal penalties holding them back from the full glory of heaven. For this reason the Church teaches that "indulgences can always be applied to the dead by way of prayer"  ... In the Old Testament ... 2 Macc. 12:42-46 ... Judah not only prayed for the dead, but he provided for them the then-appropriate ecclesial action for lessening temporal penalties: a sin offering. Accordingly, we may take the now-appropriate ecclesial action for lessening temporal penalties— indulgences—and apply them to the dead by way of prayer. ... An excellent biblical illustration of this principle is given in Proverbs 16:6, which states: "By loving kindness and faithfulness iniquity is atoned for, and by the fear of the Lord a man avoids evil" (cf. Lev. 6:1-7; Num. 5:5-8). Here we are told that a person makes temporal atonement (though never eternal atonement, which only Christ is capable of doing) for his sins through acts of loving kindness and faithfulness. " (CA-Primer on Indulgences). "Indulgences developed from reflection on the sacrament of reconciliation ... The Council of Trent instituted severe reforms in the practice of granting indulgences, and, because of prior abuses, "in 1567 Pope Pius V canceled all grants of indulgences involving any fees or other financial transactions" (Catholic Encyclopedia). This act proved the Church’s seriousness about removing abuses from indulgences. ... The Catholic Encyclopedia states: "[I]t is easy to see how abuses crept in. Among the good works which might be encouraged by being made the condition of an indulgence, almsgiving would naturally hold a conspicuous place. . . . It is well to observe that in these purposes there is nothing essentially evil. To give money to God or to the poor is a praiseworthy act, and, when it is done from right motives, it will surely not go unrewarded." ... Pope Paul VI stated, "Indulgences cannot be gained without a sincere conversion of outlook and unity with God" ... Indulgences apply only to temporal penalties, not to eternal ones. The Bible indicates that these penalties may remain after a sin has been forgiven and that God lessens these penalties as rewards to those who have pleased him. Since the Bible indicates this, Christ’s work cannot be said to have been supplanted by indulgences. ... Catholics should not be defensive about indulgences. They are based on principles straight from the Bible, and we can be confident not only that indulgences exist, but that they are useful and worth obtaining. ...  the practice of indulgences neither takes away nor adds to the work of Christ. ... " (CA-Myths about Indulgences)


Veneration of relics  [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: Catholics hold to the apostolic tradition of veneration of relics.

"A Catholic venerates a relic of Christ much as a man gazes longingly on and even kisses a photograph of his beloved. ...  Earthly remains of the saints are venerated because the saints are living members of Christ and their bodies, like ours, were temples of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 3:16-17, 6:15, 19, Eph. 2:19-22). These remains will one day be awakened and glorified (1 Cor. 15:42-54). While the saints were on earth, God bestowed many graces upon his Church through them (2 Cor. 1:11), and he continues to do so now that they are glorified in God's presence (Heb. 12:1). We honor (dulia) the relics, statues, and images of the saints with a veneration that is directed toward the saints themselves, and in honoring the saints we honor Christ whose members they are (1 Cor. 12:27)." (CA-No Bones About Dem Bones). "The veneration of relics is seen explicitly as early as the account of Polycarp’s martyrdom written by the Smyrnaeans in A.D. 156. In it, the Christians describe the events following his burning at the stake: "We took up his bones, which are more valuable than precious stones and finer than refined gold, and laid them in a suitable place, where the Lord will permit us to gather ourselves together, as we are able, in gladness and joy and to celebrate the birthday of his martyrdom." ... The use of the bones of Elisha brought a dead man to life ... This is an unequivocal biblical example of a miracle being performed by God through contact with the relics of a saint! ... "And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them" (Acts 19:11-12). " (CA-Relics). 


Purgatory  [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe the children of God will be assigned to a kingdom of glory for which their obedience has qualified them (Apostasy And Restoration) and that those who can dwell in God’s kingdom will be good and valiant people (What are the Mormon Beliefs About Heaven?). Purgatory is a doctrine that is supported by the Bible. The Bible reveals there are natural bodies and there are spiritual bodies. The natural (terrestrial) bodies are on earth and the spiritual (celestial) bodies are those who have died and who are the justified spirits in the heavenly city. Before Final Judgment the spiritual (celestial) bodies in the heavenly city differ in glory (the filthy have glory like the stars, the righteous have glory like the moon, the holy have glory like the sun). At Final Judgment all these spiritual (celestial) bodies in the heavenly city who are not perfect are made perfect or purified so they can enter the kingdom of God. All the justified spirits will have the glory of the sun. All the justified spirits will all be in the kingdom of their Father and they will all dwell with God. 

Mormonism is contrary to the Bible, the Bible does not reveal multiple kingdoms after the Final Judgment like Mormonism teaches. the Bible reveals only the kingdom at Final Judgment. In John.14:2 mansions does not mean kingdoms since the Bible reveals there is only one kingdom. Mansions in John 14:2 refers to different degrees of rewards in heaven, the Bible reveals that Christ shall reward every man according to his works, those who love their enemies and do good will have a great reward. Before the "new heaven", there is a "third heaven" or paradise. Before Final Judgment there are some spirits who hear the gospel "in prison", which is neither heaven nor hell. Before Final Judgment the spirits of justified men are made perfect and purified. By one offering Christ has perfected for ever them that are sanctified, the blood of Jesus cleans us from all sin. Some sins can be forgiven "in the world to come". Some shall suffer loss but they "shall be saved; yet so as by fire". Nothing unclean can enter in to heaven, only those names "written in the Lamb's book of life". At Final Judgment everyone is resurrected to to be judged, but not everyone is saved even though all will be resurrected, those who do evil come forth in the resurrection of damnation, he that believeth not shall be damned.  Either a person is in the book of life or they are not, those not in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire with the devil and those in the book of life will dwell with the Father.

Mormons Believe: In their final judgment, the children of God will be assigned to a kingdom of glory for which their obedience has qualified them. In his letters to the Corinthians, the Apostle Paul described these places. He told of a vision in which he was “caught up to the third heaven” and “heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter” (2 Cor. 12:2, 4). Speaking of the resurrection of the dead, he described “celestial bodies,” “bodies terrestrial” (1 Cor. 15:40), and “bodies telestial” (JST, 1 Cor. 15:40), each pertaining to a different degree of glory. He likened these different glories to the sun, to the moon, and to different stars (see 1 Cor. 15:41). (Apostasy And Restoration). God’s presence ... Celestial Kingdom, God’s own home ... those who can dwell in God’s kingdom will be good and valiant people. (What are the Mormon Beliefs About Heaven?). 

The doctrine of purgatory, or the final purification, has been part of the true faith since before the time of Christ. (The Historical Doctrine of Purgatory - CA).  The just spirits in the heavenly city with Christ are made perfect (Heb 12:22,23).  When the chief Shepherd shall appear, we shall receive a crown of glory, the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that we have suffered a while, make us perfect (1Pet 5:1-10). We are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all, for by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified (Heb 10:10).  By grace are we saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God (Eph 2:8). At the appearing of Jesus Christ we will receive the end of our faith, even the salvation of your souls, we have purified our souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren (1Pet 1:2-22).  We received the love of the truth, that we might be saved, God hath from the beginning chosen us to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth (2Thes 2:10-13). Being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him, by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous (Rom 5:1-19). The blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleans us from all sin, if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1John 1:7-9).

Mormonism teaches if you are "not valiant" you "will live separately and singly forever" in a "terrestrial kingdom" and that you won't "live with Heavenly Father" and that you won't be "visited ... by our Heavenly Father" (LDS GP Chap 46).  Joseph Smith explained that “mansions” in John 14:2 may be understood to mean “kingdoms” (Ensign, Apr 2005, 62–65 ). The Bible does not reveal multiple kingdoms at the Final Judgment, the Bible reveals only the kingdom at Final Judgment (Matt.25:34,46; Matt.13:43).   In John.14:2 mansions does not mean kingdoms since the Bible reveals there is only one kingdom, mansions refers to different degrees of rewards in heaven, the Bible reveals the Son of man shall reward every man according to his works, those who love their enemies and do good will have a great reward (Matt.16:27; Luke.6:35,36).  Jesus assures us in John 14:2 that "In my Father's house are many mansions". Augustine says the "rooms" or "mansions" refer to different degrees of rewards in heaven (Tract. 67) (Does Being Catholic Make a Difference? - CA). The Bible reveals all the righteous will dwell with the Father and will inherit the kingdom of God and all things, they will have the glory of God (Rev.21:2-11). The Catholic Church teaches "All those he has redeemed and made "holy and blameless before him in love" [Eph 1:4], will be gathered together as the one People of God, the "Bride of the Lamb" [Rev 21:9], "the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God" [Rev 21:10-11]" (CCC865) and "all the just ... gathered together in the universal Church in the Father's presence" (CCC769)The just will reign with Christ for ever (CCC1060).   Irenaeus, a 2nd century bishop, taught "[God will] send ... the angels who transgressed ... the impious, unjust, lawless, and blasphemous among men into everlasting fire" (The Hell There Is! - CA). "... between the sinfulness of this life and the glories of heaven, we must be made pure. Between death and glory there is a purification." (The Roots of Purgatory - CA).

Mormonism teaches members of the Church will inherit different kingdoms (LDS GP Chap 46). Members of the church are righteous, the righteous inherit the kingdom and the unrighteous do not inherit the kingdom of God (1Cor.6:9).  The Bible reveals there is a natural body and there is a spiritual body (1Cor.15:44). The natural (terrestrial) bodies are on earth and the spiritual (celestial) bodies are in the heavens, before Final Judgment these bodies differ in glory (stars, moon, sun), there are the filthy, the righteous, and the holy (Rev.22:11; 1Cor.15:40,41), after Final Judgment all will have the same glory of the sun and all will be in the kingdom of their Father (Matt.13:43; Matt.25:46) and they will all dwell with God (Rev.21:3,11).  Before the "new heaven", there is a "third heaven" or paradise (Rev.21:3,11; 2Cor.12:2).  Before Final Judgment there are some spirits who hear the gospel "in prison", which is neither heaven nor hell (1Pet 3:19-20). Before Final Judgment the spirits of justified men are made perfect and purified (Heb.12:23; 1John 3:2-3).  By one offering Christ has perfected for ever them that are sanctified, the blood of Jesus cleans us from all sin (Heb.10:14; 1John.1:7). Some sins can be forgiven "in the world to come" (Matt 12:31,32). Some shall suffer loss but they "shall be saved; yet so as by fire" (1Cor 3:14-15). Nothing unclean can enter in to heaven, only those names "written in the Lamb's book of life" (Rev 21:27).  At Final Judgment everyone is resurrected to to be judged, but not everyone is saved even though all will be resurrected, those who do evil come forth in the resurrection of damnation, he that believeth not shall be damned (Mark.16:16; John 5:29; Acts 24:15).  Either a person is in the book of life or they are not, those not in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire with the devil and those in the book of life will dwell with the Father (Rev.20:10-15; Rev.21:27). After Final Judgment there is a new heaven and a new earth, the righteous go into life eternal, they have the glory of the sun in the kingdom of their Father (Matt.13:43; Matt.25:46), they will sit with Christ on his throne (Rev.3:5,21), they will dwell with God (Rev.21:3,11).  


Wine  [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: Jesus drank wine. The Bible condemns excessive drinking.

Mormons Believe: Mormons do not drink alcohol. They follow a health code that prohibits it. In addition, water is easily obtained and requires no special purchase. Because Mormons consider the sacrament to be in remembrance of the Savior, they are focused on the meaning, rather than the specific items taken. (Do Mormons Have Mass?). The Lord commands us not to use wine and strong drinks, meaning drinks containing alcohol ... tobacco ... coffee and tea ... (LDS GP Chap 29). Mormons use bread and water in the Sacrament. Although wine was used when Christ held the first Sacrament, Mormons teach that the bread and water only represent the blood and body of the Savior, rather than being transformed into the actual blood and body, and therefore, it is not important that water is used instead. (Do Mormons Have Mass?).

"Jesus, you will recall, was called a winebibber (Matt. 11:19), the charge being not that he drank, but that he drank too much. Jesus Wasn't a Teetotaler ... Wine was used also at weddings, of course, and our Lord apparently approved of the practice; after all, when the wine was depleted at Cana, he made more out of water ... the Bible condemns excessive drinking (1 Cor. 5:11; Gal. 5:21; Eph. 5:18; 1 Pet. 4:3)" (EWTN). 


Test Mormonism [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: The Book of Mormon comes from a prophet. We are warned of false prophets. We are to test the words of a prophet. We can compare Mormonism to the Bible to see if it's teachings are consistent with the Bible. The Spirit warned the church of the consequence of following a false prophet.

Mormons Believe: The Mormon President Brigham Young said, "Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-day Saints with it, and see if it will stand the test" (JD 16:46). Mormons will say that "God’s method is simple: we read the Book of Mormon, we pray and ask Him to tell us that what we’ve read is true and He answers us through the Holy Ghost." (Mormon Web Site).

Mormonism fails the test of  “continue thou in the things which thou hast learned” (2Tim 3:14).  Irenaeus, a 2nd century Bishop, wrote "True knowledge is that which consists in the doctrine of the apostles" (Salvation outside the Church -CA).   We can know if the LDS Church is true or false Christianity by comparing its teachings with the written and oral traditions of the apostles (Acts.17:1; 2Thes.2:15). Jesus did not teach us to use feelings to know if something is true but taught that we can know the truth by continuing in his words (John.8:31-32).  Deception is possible in spiritual phenomena and may be tested by its relation to Holy Scripture, the Bible reveals that we are not to believe “every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (1John 4:1).  We can know a false prophet because they "shall bring in damnable heresies" (2Pet.2:1). We can learn if Joseph Smith is true or false prophet by searching the Bible and allowing the Spirit of Truth to lead us to all truth, God will give wisdom to those who ask him (Acts.17:11; John.16:13; James.1:5).  Joseph Smith taught "three Gods" (Joseph Smith Teachings - Ensign, Mar 2008, 68-73). Neither Jesus nor his apostles taught "three Gods" like Joseph Smith. Jesus taught "there is one God" (Mark 12:29,32) and apostle Paul taught "to us there is but one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ" (1Cor 8:4-6). Three Gods" is heretical. The Catholic Church teaches "We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons" (CCC253).   The Bible warns that “false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves” (Matt 7:15) and that these grievous wolves enter in to the flock “speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them” (Acts.20:29-30).


Testimony  [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: The Bible testifies that Joseph Smith is a false prophet since he taught the heresy of "three Gods". The Bible testifies that the Book of Mormon contains a perverted gospel, the Book of Mormon teaches "we are saved, after all we can do” and the Bible teaches "by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God”. 

Mormons Believe: Mormons will say that "the truth of the Book of Mormon comes when God sends His Spirit to confirm the truth of what we read. We can feel this confirmation when we study the Book of Mormon with diligence and faith" (Mormon Web Site).  We can know for ourselves if this is true, because God has promised us that we can pray to find out, rather than simply trusting man’s word. Just as the brother of Jesus said, if we lack wisdom, God promises to give it to us if we ask in faith, with a sincere desire to know the truth. (What is the Fulness of the Gospel?)

Testify to Mormons the freedom you feel knowing the truth (John.8:32), "the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he" (Mark.12:32). Share with Mormons that you "are careful to maintain good works because these things are good and profitable unto men" (Titus 3:8) and that you "keep his commandments" because you love God (1John 5:2). His commandments are "that we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another" (1John 3:23).  Testify to Mormons that the Bible testifies that Joseph Smith is a false prophet because he brought forth the heresy (2Pet.2:1) of "three Gods" and that the Bible testifies that the Book of Mormon contains a perverted gospel (Gal.1:7), it contains doctrine "contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned" (Rom.16:17).  Testify that as a Catholic you "continue in my word" (John 8:31) and "continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them" (2Tim 3:14).  Testify as a Catholic you "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (2Thes.2:15; 2Tim.2:2). Testify that you are "filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost" (Acts.13:52). With Mary, I testify that the Almighty God "hath done to me great things; and holy is his name" (Luke.1:49).

Mormon's will testify that "the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the true Church" and Catholics will testify that "the Catholic Church is the true Church ... Does my testimony prove that I'm right?... You see we've both prayed and studied, and we've come up with contrary testimonies. One of us must be wrong. ... " (CA). The Bible reveals that a false prophet, like Joseph Smith, can come in sheep's clothing and can show a great sign like the Book of Mormon to deceive many (Matt 24:11,24; Matt 7:15).  The Book of Mormon mixes truth with lies. To successfully deceive, truth is mixed with lies, in the beginning Satan mixed lies with truth to deceive Eve (Gen.3). 


Bible has many changes [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: Catholics are not Bible only, some Catholic doctrine is not explicit in Scripture but at the same time it is not in contradiction to Scripture. Catholics have the fullness of the gospel, Catholics believe in the written and oral traditions of the apostles. Traditions like the real presence of the body of Christ in the bread. The written tradition teaches "take, eat this is my body” and the oral tradition of Ignatius, a bishop of Antioch who was appointed by the apostle Peter, taught "the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ."

Mormons Believe: Mormonism teaches "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly" (LDS GP Chap 10)Joseph Smith claimed that the Savior told him that the teachings of present churches were "an abomination in his sight" (LDS GP Chap 17). Mormonism teaches "error crept into Church doctrine, and soon the destruction of the Church was complete." (LDS GP Chap 16)

Mormons are without a shepherd, Jesus was moved with compassion and he began to teach those without a shepherd (Mark.6:34). As you evangelize Mormons reason from the Bible because scripture "is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction" (Acts 17:2; 2Tim 3:16). A convert from Mormonism to Catholicism, said "Most people don't know the Bible very well, which makes it really easy for (Mormon) missionaries to be successful ... Learn the Bible well" (From Mormon to Catholic).  Catholics are not Bible only, Catholics "believe all that which is contained in the word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church proposes for belief as divinely revealed" (CCC182).  "Divine assistance is given to the successors of the apostles" (CCC892). Catholics believe "The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church" (CCC79)"Aroused and sustained by the Spirit of truth, the People of God, guided by the sacred teaching authority (Magisterium),... receives... the faith, once for all delivered to the saints... . [Jude 3]" (CCC93).  "The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone. " (CCC85). 


The Book of Mormon  [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: The Bible testifies the Book of Mormon contains a perverted gospel, the Book of Mormon teaches "we are saved, after all we can do” and the Bible teaches "by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God”. The Book of Mormon forbids infant baptism, the Book of Mormon says infant baptism is an evil abomination. The Book of Mormon speaks of the dark skin of those with a Negro ancestry as a curse for sins. The Book of Mormon reveals it was necessary for Adam and Evil to disobey God's commandment to know good and evil. The Book of Mormon reveals it was necessary for Adam and Eve to disobey God to have children. The Book of Mormon reveals it was necessary for Adam to fall to have joy. The Book of Mormon comes from a prophet. We are warned of false prophets. We are to test the words of a prophet. We can compare the Book of Mormon to the Bible to see if it's teachings are consistent with the Bible. The Bible warns us that false prophets can show great signs and wonders. The alleged prophet Joseph Smith brought forth the Book of Mormon, the Book of Mormon is a sign to Mormons that Joseph Smith is a prophet and many Mormons wonder how a young farm boy with limited education could have brought forth the Book of Mormon and they wonder about the archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon since there is no archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon mixes truth with lies, in the beginning Satan mixed lies with truth when he deceived Eve through his subtlety.

Mormons Believe: After all we can do ... we must obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, which includes having faith in Him, repenting of our sins, being baptized ... aspects of Christ’s atoning gift are conditional ... By living faithfully and keeping the commandments of God, one can receive additional privileges (Grace and Works). One thing that sets the Mormon religion apart from other Christian religions is the belief in the Book of Mormon. ... At the end of the Book of Mormon is a challenge for all those who read it. ... If the Book of Mormon is a true book ... Joseph Smith is a prophet of God ... (Mormon Religion). Mormon President Hinckley said, The evidence for its truth, for its validity in a world that is prone to demand evidence, lies not in archaeology or anthropology, though these may be helpful to some. It lies not in word research or historical analysis, though these may be confirmatory. The evidence for its truth and validity lies within the covers of the book itself. The test of its truth lies in reading it ... those who have read it prayerfully have come to know by a power beyond their natural senses that it is true (What is the Cornerstone of the Mormon Religion). Mormon President Hinckley said ... The test of its truth lies in reading it ... those who have read it prayerfully have come to know by a power beyond their natural senses that it is true (What is the Cornerstone of the Mormon Religion). The Book of Mormon reveals "Infant baptism is an evil abomination" (Moroni 8). 

The Book of Mormon - The Bible testifies the Book of Mormon contains a perverted gospel, the Book of Mormon teaches "we are saved, after all we can do” and the Bible teaches "by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God”. The Book of Mormon forbids infant baptism, the Book of Mormon says infant baptism is an evil abomination. The Book of Mormon speaks of the dark skin of those with a Negro ancestry as a curse for sins. The Book of Mormon reveals it was necessary for Adam and Evil to disobey God's commandment to know good and evil. The Book of Mormon reveals it was necessary for Adam and Eve to disobey God to have children. The Book of Mormon reveals it was necessary for Adam to fall to have joy. The Book of Mormon comes from a prophet. We are warned of false prophets. We are to test the words of a prophet. We can compare the Book of Mormon to the Bible to see if it's teachings are consistent with the Bible. The Bible warns us that false prophets can show great signs and wonders. The alleged prophet Joseph Smith brought forth the Book of Mormon, the Book of Mormon is a sign to Mormons that Joseph Smith is a prophet and many Mormons wonder how a young farm boy with limited education could have brought forth the Book of Mormon and they wonder about the archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon since there is no archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon mixes truth with lies, in the beginning Satan mixed lies with truth when he deceived Eve through his subtlety.

Being saved is not "after, all we can do" like the Book of Mormon reveals (2Nephi 25:23), we are saved "not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost ... being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life" (Tit.3:5-8). 

For Mormons, the Book of Mormon is a sign that Joseph Smith is a prophet; the Bible tells us that “false prophets … shall shew great signs and wonders“ (Matt 24:24). The Book of Mormon is evidence “that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils” (1Tim.4:1). The Book of Mormon does not "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (2Thes.2:15), The Book of Mormon is not the faith that "was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude.1:3), it’s restored gospel perverts the gospel of Christ. The Book of Mormon mixes truth with lies, in the beginning Satan mixed a lie with truth to deceive Eve (Gen.3).  

The Book of Mormon contains the lie that "we are saved, after all we can do” (2Nephi 25:23).  Mormonism is an example "many shall follow their pernicious ways" of a false prophet (2Pet.2:2). Mormons have "gone astray" by following the false prophet Joseph Smith, they are entangled after they have "escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" (2Pet.2:15-20).  Belief in Book of Mormon sets the Mormon religion apart from Christian religions. For Mormons the Book of Mormon is the keystone of the Mormon religion for it contains the Mormon restored gospel.  For Christians the Bible is the keystone of their religion for it contains the gospel of Christ, which is different than the Mormon restored gospel.   Jesus tells us if we “continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (John.8:31-32).    Mormons are without a shepherd, Jesus was moved with compassion and he began to teach those without a shepherd (Mark.6:34). Seize each opportunity to meet with a Mormon because it is an opportunity to teach Mormons the truth, "the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he" (Mark.12:32). As you meet with Mormons share that the Book of Mormon contains a perverted gospel and that Joseph Smith is a false prophet who taught the heresy of "three Gods".  Reason "with them out of the scriptures" (Acts.17:2).

Why should I pray about the Book of Mormon if Jesus did not teach us to use feelings to know if something is truth, Jesus taught that we can know the truth by continuing in his words (John.8:31-32)? I can learn if the Book of Mormon is true or false by searching the Bible and allowing the Spirit of Truth to lead me to all truth, God will give wisdom to those who ask him (Acts.17:11; John.16:13; James.1:5). 

Does a testimony prove that a person is right, I know from the Bible that some will give "heed to seducing spirits" (1Tim.4:1)? I know from the Bible that a false prophet can come in sheep's clothing and can show a great sign like the Book of Mormon to deceive many (Matt 24:11,24; Matt 7:15).  In the beginning Satan mixed a lie with truth to deceive Eve (Gen.3).  The Book of Mormon contains the lie that "we are saved, after all we can do” (2Nephi 25:23).  "Deception is possible in spiritual phenomena and may be tested by its relation to Christian doctrine" (NAB 1John 4:1-6). 

Why isn't there any objective evidence to support the Book of Mormon?  "The archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon ... nonexistent ... no scientific evidence to support it." (Catholic Answers).  "no non-LDS archaeologist accepts the Book of Mormon as authentic history...the Bible's claim to be authentic history is supported by objective evidence ..." (IRR.org).  Mormonism claims that the Book of Mormon is a record of some of the people who lived on the American continents between about 2,000 B.C. and A.D. 400 (LDS GP Chap 10).  Mormons say that John 10:16 refers  to Jews who allegedly migrated to South America around 600 B.C.. " Most Catholic biblical scholars, following the teaching of the early Church Fathers, agree that the "other sheep" are the Gentiles, to whom the gospel was sent after the Jews rejected Christ (Rom 11:11-12)." (Catholic Answers). 

Why does the Book of Mormon forbid infant baptism, the Book of Mormon says "Infant baptism is an evil abomination" (Moroni 8), if Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness, like an infant Jesus was free of personal sin and did not have a need for repentance (2Cor.5:21; Matt.3:15)? Jesus declared baptism is necessary to enter into the kingdom of God, Jesus did not exclude infants and children under eight years old (John.3:5). 

Why does the Book of Mormon reveal it was necessary for Adam to fall to have joy if before the fall Adam and Eve had fullness of joy being in the presence of the Lord (Psalm.16:11)? Before the fall Adam and Eve had eternal life since they had access to the tree of life (Gen.3:22).  Before their fall, Adam knew God's commandment and he had a choice to obey or disobey it (Gen.3:17). After eating of "the tree of knowledge of good and evil", "the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked", Adam was "afraid" of God and he tried to hid (Gen 2:9; Gen 3:7.10).  

Why does the Book of Mormon reveal it was necessary for Adam and Evil to disobey God's commandment to know good and evil (2 Nephi 2:22-25) if Adam and Eve could have asked God for wisdom ( James.1:5) instead of disobeying their Father's commandment "thou shalt not eat of it" of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen.3:11,17)? Adam and Eve would have done good by obeying God's commandment (Gen.2:16). Jesus did not have to disobey his Father's commandment to know good and evil, Jesus "knew no sin" (2Cor.5:21). 

Why does the Book of Mormon reveal it was necessary for Adam and Eve to disobey God to have children if before the fall they were not mature enough to have children, they were like innocent children who "were not ashamed" that "they were both naked" (Gen.2:25)? Adam and Eve could have had children in the Garden of Eden once they matured, once they matured then they could have been "fruitful, and multiply", before the fall Adam and Eve were blessed by God to be fruitful and multiply (Gen.1:28). Eve was selfish, instead of following her Father's commandment she followed her desire to be "wise" (Gen.3:6). 

Why does the Book of Mormon speak of dark skin as a curse for sin (2 Nephi 5:21)? Why were Black African descent denied the priesthood Catholic Answers writes"... many passages in the Book of Mormon speak of dark skin as a curse for sins, as opposed to the "white and delightsome" appearance of the righteous (2 Nephi 30:6, cf. 1 Nephi 12:23, 13:15, 2 Nephi 5:21, Jacob 3:8-9, 3 Nephi 2:14-15, Moses 7:8, 12, 22). A passage in the "Book of Abraham" (1:26–27), that spoke of the Egyptian pharaohs as having Negro ancestry, thereby disqualifying them from God’s priesthood, was used by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to deny the Mormon priesthood and temple privileges to anyone with any amount of Negro ancestry. These passages in Mormon scripture served as the basis for every Mormon prophet since Smith to teach that blacks were cursed for their supposed sins before earthly birth. Brigham Young, Smith’s successor, also underscored the racist stand of Mormonism: "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so" (Journal of Discourses 10:109). ... the civil rights movement had its effect the LDS Church. Black leaders urged boycotts of the state of Utah and all Mormon Tabernacle Choir products. The NAACP brought discrimination charges against the Utah Boy Scouts for prohibiting a black member from assuming a senior patrol position. College athletes refused to play Brigham Young University teams. Groups protested at the church’s twice-yearly general conferences in Salt Lake City. ... The new "revelation" did not change the previous Mormon teaching that people are born black because of their sins in the pre-existence."  


Revelation  [Return to Topics]

Mormonism teaches "Because of apostasy, there was no direct revelation from God. … For many years people lived in spiritual darkness.  . . . there was no revelation ..."  (LDS GP Chap 17). At the head of the church is the prophet. ...  When the Church was restored, it naturally required a prophet, and there has been one leading the church continuously since its restoration in modern times. ... The prophet is the only person who can receive revelation for the entire church. ...  Although anyone who is worthy may receive personal revelation, the prophet of the church must be specifically called of God to hold that position (What is the Difference Between the Pope and the Prophet?).  Catholics do not believe revelation stopped when the apostles died, they don't believe the heavens were closed. The Catholic Church teaches "The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church: God, who spoke in the past, continues to converse with the Spouse of his beloved Son." (CCC79). The Bible reveals that the faith was once delivered to the saints, once the apostles delivered the faith to the saints public revelation or revelation for the whole church stopped since it was delivered. After the apostles died private revelation continues, private revelation is revelation that is judged by other prophets because there are many false prophets. With the help of the Spirit of Truth the Church of the living God cannot teach error or heresy otherwise it would not be the pillar and foundation of truth as the Bible reveals. 

The apostle Paul tells us "without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh" (1Tim.3:16). The Bible reveals "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude.1:3). Public revelation is "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude.1:3). Private revelation is revelation from "he that prophesieth edifieth the church ... Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. ... the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. ... If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual "(1Cor.14). ".  The Catholic Church teaches: "The dogma of the Trinity" (CCC251) "The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the "mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God". To be sure, God has left traces of his Trinitarian being in his work of creation and in his Revelation throughout the Old Testament. But his inmost Being as Holy Trinity is a mystery that is inaccessible to reason alone or even to Israel's faith before the Incarnation of God's Son and the sending of the Holy Spirit" (CCC237)"The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of the Christian faith and of Christian life. God alone can make it known to us by revealing himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit" (CCC261). The Catholic Church teaches: "The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church: God, who spoke in the past, continues to converse with the Spouse of his beloved Son." (CCC79)"... no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries." (66). "During the first centuries the Church sought to clarify her Trinitarian faith, both to deepen her own understanding of the faith and to defend it against the errors that were deforming it. This clarification was the work of the early councils, aided by the theological work of the Church Fathers and sustained by the Christian people's sense of the faith" (250). "The Church's Magisterium exercises the authority it holds from Christ to the fullest extent when it defines dogmas, that is, when it proposes truths contained in divine Revelation or also when it proposes in a definitive way truths having a necessary connection with them" (88). "In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility." (889). "This Magisterium is not superior to the Word of God, but is its servant. It teaches only what has been handed on to it. At the divine command and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it listens to this devotedly, guards it with dedication and expounds it faithfully. All that it proposes for belief as being divinely revealed is drawn from this single deposit of faith" (CCC86).  

"Revelation may be defined as the communication of some truth by God to a rational creature through means which are beyond the ordinary course of nature." (CE-Revelation). "There are two kinds of revelations: (1) universal revelations, which are contained in the Bible or in the depositum of Apostolic tradition transmitted by the Church. These ended with the preaching of the Apostles and must be believed by all; (2) particular or private revelations which are constantly occurring among Christians" (CE-Private Revelations). "... the Church recognizes that God has spoken to His servants in every age, and still continues thus to favour chosen souls ... The gift of Divine assistance ... merely preserves the supreme pontiff from error in defining the faith ... All subsequent revelations conferred by God are known as private revelations, for the reason that they are not directed to the whole Church but are for the good of individual members alone" (CE-Revelation).  "The Decree "Lamentabili" (3 July, 1907), by its condemnation of a contrary proposition, declares that the dogmas which the Church proposes as revealed are "truths which have come down to us from heaven" and not "an interpretation of religious facts which the human mind has acquired by its own strenuous efforts"" (CE-Revelation). "Thus, whenever there has been question of defining a doctrine, whether at Nicæa , at Trent, or at the Vatican, the sole point of debate has been as to whether the doctrine is found in Scripture or in Apostolic tradition." (CE-Revelation). "the Vatican Council ... recognizes that there is a legitimate mode of development, ... Cardinal Newman wrote his "Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine " ... he examines in detail the difference between a corruption and a development" (CE-Revelation). "a mystery is a truth which we are not merely incapable of discovering apart from Divine Revelation " (CE-The Blessed Trinity). "The Catholic Church teaches that public revelation stopped with the death of the last apostle (Vatican II, Dei Verbum 4) but private revelation has continued" (CA-Private Revelation Has Never Stopped). 

"Jesus himself, who promised the apostles and their successors the bishops, the magisterium of the Church: "He who hears you hears me" (Luke 10:16), and "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" (Matt. 18:18). ... Infallibility belongs in a special way to the pope as head of the bishops (Matt. 16:17–19; John 21:15–17). ... they are pronounced with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, an assistance promised to him in blessed Peter. ... it is a doctrine which was implicit in the early Church. It is only our understanding of infallibility which has developed and been more clearly understood over time. In fact, the doctrine of infallibility is implicit in these Petrine texts: John 21:15–17 ("Feed my sheep . . . "), Luke 22:32 ("I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail"), and Matthew 16:18 ("You are Peter . . . "). Christ instructed the Church to preach everything he taught (Matt. 28:19–20) and promised the protection of the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13). That mandate and that promise guarantee the Church will never fall away from his teachings (Matt. 16:18, 1 Tim. 3:15), even if individual Catholics might. ... This development of the faithful’s understanding has its clear beginnings in the early Church. For example, Cyprian of Carthage, writing about 256, put the question this way, "Would the heretics dare to come to the very seat of Peter whence apostolic faith is derived and whither no errors can come?" (Letters 59 [55], 14). ... There is no guarantee that popes won’t sin or give bad example. ... A pope’s private theological opinions are not infallible, only what he solemnly defines is considered to be infallible teaching. ... What infallibility does do is prevent a pope from solemnly and formally teaching as "truth" something that is, in fact, error. It does not help him know what is true, nor does it "inspire" him to teach what is true. ...must also acknowledge that Peter did have some kind of infallibility—they cannot deny that he wrote two infallible epistles of the New Testament while under protection against writing error. ... Christ set up an ongoing organization. One example of this ancient belief comes to us from Ignatius of Antioch. In his second-century letter to the church in Smyrna, he wrote, "Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church" (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, 8, 1 [A.D. 110]). ... some method by which it could preserve his teachings intact. All this was accomplished through the apostolic succession of bishops, and the preservation of the Christian message, in its fullness, was guaranteed through the gift of infallibility, of the Church as a whole, but mainly through its Christ-appointed leaders, the bishops (as a whole) and the pope (as an individual). It is the Holy Spirit who prevents the pope from officially teaching error, and this charism follows necessarily from the existence of the Church itself. ... must have a perfectly steady rock to build upon and to trust as the source of solemn Christian teaching. And that’s why papal infallibility exists. ... if the Church ever apostasized by teaching heresy, then it would cease to exist; because it would cease to be Jesus’ Church. Thus the Church cannot teach heresy, meaning that anything it solemnly defines for the faithful to believe is true. This same reality is reflected in the Apostle Paul’s statement that the Church is "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). If the Church is the foundation of religious truth in this world, then it is God’s own spokesman. As Christ told his disciples: "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me" (Luke 10:16)." (Papal Infallibility - CA).


Prophets [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe at the head of the church is the prophet. The prophet is the only person who can receive revelation for the entire church. Although anyone who is worthy may receive personal revelation. (What is the Difference Between the Pope and the Prophet?). Mormons believe faith in and obedience to the current prophet of the Church is essential (ExMormons). Modern Mormon revelation takes precedence over ancient revelation (Why Mormons don’t Debate Doctrine). After the death of Jesus Christ, and the death of His apostles, there were no further prophets. This led to the Great Apostasy, in which many conflicts over doctrine arose and the people floundered as they tried to find truth. A prophet gives us the assurance we are doing what God wants us to do in a complex world. (Mormon Prophets).  A prophet is not head of the church like the Mormon President, the Bible reveals prophets are secondary. We can know a false prophet because they bring forth heresies.  Joseph Smith is an example of a  false prophet because he brought the heresy of "three Gods".  Joseph Smith did not restore truth, Joseph Smith teaching "three Gods" is not the truth that Jesus revealed. The Bible tells us that false prophets can show great signs and wonders. The alleged prophet Joseph Smith brought forth the Book of Mormon, the Book of Mormon is a sign to Mormons that Joseph Smith is a prophet and many Mormons wonder how a young farm boy with limited education could have brought forth the Book of Mormon and they wonder about the archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon since there is no archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon comes from the alleged prophet Joseph Smith, he was given gold plates by an angel and he translated them by putting a seer stone into a hat and putting his face into the hat.

A prophet is not head of the church like the Mormon President, the Bible reveals prophets are secondary. We can know a false prophet because they bring forth heresies.  Joseph Smith is an example of a  false prophet because he brought the heresy of "three Gods".  Joseph Smith did not restore truth, Joseph Smith teaching "three Gods" is not the truth that Jesus revealed. The Bible tells us that false prophets can show great signs and wonders. The alleged prophet Joseph Smith brought forth the Book of Mormon, the Book of Mormon is a sign to Mormons that Joseph Smith is a prophet and many Mormons wonder how a young farm boy with limited education could have brought forth the Book of Mormon and they wonder about the archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon since there is no archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon. 

We can know a false prophet because they bring forth heresies.  Joseph Smith is an example of a  false prophet because he brought the heresy of "three Gods".  Joseph Smith did not restore truth, , Joseph Smith teaching "three Gods" is not the truth that Jesus revealed. The Bible tells us that false prophets can show great signs and wonders. The alleged prophet Joseph Smith brought forth the Book of Mormon, the Book of Mormon is a sign to Mormons that Joseph Smith is a prophet and many Mormons wonder how a young farm boy with limited education could have brought forth the Book of Mormon and they wonder about the archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon since there is no archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon. 

The Catholic Church has undergone changes and development of doctrine but these changes are not contrary to the apostolic traditions which have been taught by word and orally. We can tell which Church is right by searching the scriptures to see if things are so. We can tell which Church is right if it holds to the apostolic traditions which have been taught by word and orally. We can tell which Church is right if it continues in the things which we have learned from Jesus and his apostles. The apostles of Christ taught other faithful men. The Catholic Church has undergone changes but these changes are not contrary to the apostolic traditions which have been taught by word and orally. Catholics are not Bible only, some parts of Catholicism are not explicit in Scripture but at the same time these parts are not in contradiction to Scripture.

The Bible reveals a prophet is not head of the church, prophets are secondary in the church (1Cor.12:28). There are many prophets in the church, prophets judged other prophets (Eph.4:1,11; 1Cor.14:26-37). "the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets" (1Cor.14:32).  Prophets like Judas and Silas exhorted the brethren after a council settled a dispute (Acts.152Pet.1:19-21; John.14:16-26; Acts 13:1). We are not to believe “every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (1John 4:1). “false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves” (Matt 7:15). These grievous wolves enter in to the flock “speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them” (Acts.20:29-30). The Bible reveals that a false prophet can come in sheep's clothing and can show a great sign like the Book of Mormon to deceive many (Matt 24:11,24; Matt 7:15). We can know a false prophet because they "shall bring in damnable heresies" (2Pet.2:1).  A heresy is a teaching that conflicts with what Jesus and his apostles taught. Joseph Smith's teaching of "three God" is heretical because neither Jesus nor his apostles taught "three Gods". We can learn if Joseph Smith is true or false prophet by searching the Bible and allowing the Spirit of Truth to lead us to all truth, God will give wisdom to those who ask him (Acts.17:11; John.16:13; James.1:5). The Bible testifies that Joseph Smith is a false prophet because a false prophet brings forth “heresies” (2Pet.2:1). The Bible warns us not to believe prophets but to test them, we can test them by comparing their words to the inspired word of God (1John.4:1; Acts.17:2,11; 2Tim.3:16). 


Apostasy  [Return to Topics]

Mormons believe after the death of the apostles, the church entered into a lengthy apostasy. This apostasy had been prophesied by many Biblical prophets. (How can Mormons have authority when the unbroken line of succession comes from Peter?). Mormonism is example of the apostasy described in the Bible.  The Bible prophesized that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils. Mormonism does not continue in apostolic traditions which have been taught by word and orally. Mormonism does not continues in the things which we have learned from Jesus and his apostles. Mormons have gone astray and entangled by following the false prophet Joseph Smith after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The Spirit warned the church in Thyatira of the consequence of following a false prophet even thou they had works. Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, taught the heresy of "three Gods". Joseph Smith did not restore the truth that there is one God, Joseph Smith taught "three Gods". Jesus taught the truth is that there is one God. Some things are hard to understand, those who hear and understand the word can bring forth more fruit.

Mormonism teaches the Mormon Church is "the only true and living church" (GP Chapter 17). Mormons believe they are members of the Only True Church (LDS Ensign, Feb 1995, 62–63).  The Book of Mormon Student Manual says "The church of the devil is ... every church except the true church" (Book of Mormon Student Manual, 1 Nephi 14:10). We can know if the LDS Church is true or false Christianity by comparing its teachings with the written and oral traditions of the apostles (Acts.17:1; 2Thes.2:15).   The apostolic Church continues in the things which they have learned and have been assured of, knowing whom they learned it (2Tim.3:14). "The first Christians had no doubts about how to determine which was the true Church and which doctrines the true teachings of Christ. The test was simple: Just trace the apostolic succession of the claimants. Apostolic succession is the line of bishops stretching back to the apostles. All over the world, all Catholic bishops are part of a lineage that goes back to the time of the apostles" (Catholic Answers). Irenaeus, a 2nd century Bishop, wrote "True knowledge is that which consists in the doctrine of the apostles" (Salvation outside the Church -CA). The apostle Paul tells us to avoid those who cause division and offences contrary to the doctrine which we have learned (Rom 16:17).  The church of the living God is the pillar and bulwark of the truth which faithfully guards the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (1Tim.3:15; Jude.1:3).

Mormonism teaches "Today the Church of Jesus Christ has been restored and is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."(LDS GP Chap 16).  Authority did not need to be restored because authority continued with the apostle’s successors (Tit.1:4-9). The office of the twelve apostles did not need to be restored because the twelve apostles were special witness who had the requirement of being a witness Jesus’ life and resurrection (Acts.1:8-26; Acts.10:39-41; John.15:16-27).  Revelation did not need to be restored because there are many prophets in the church (1Cor.14:26-37; 1Cor.12). The gospel did not need to be restored, the apostles safeguarded the faith by transmitting "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" "to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others" (Jude 1:3,17; 2Tim 2:2). The restitution of all things mentioned in Acts.3:21 occurs after the second coming (Rev.21:1-5). The promised restoration of  “all things” occurs after the second coming of Jesus (Acts.3:21; Rev.21:5). The Catholic Church teaches "After the universal judgment ...  will come the time of the renewal of all things ... Acts 3:21" (CCC1042).  The restoration of Israel described in the Old Testament began with the prophet John the Baptist (Isa.24:5; Rom.11). For Israel there was a famine for hearing the words of the Lord, they transgressed the laws, they changed the ordinance, they broke the everlasting covenant; and they killed their prophets (Amos.8:2-12Isa.24:5).  God gave Israel a spirit of slumber, and eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear (Rom.11).  Christ declared Elijah return to earth to be fulfilled in the coming of John the Baptizer (Mal.3; Matt 17:10-13). John is the prophet that would "turn the hearts of the fathers to the children", he would "to make ready a people prepared for the Lord" (Luke.1:17). 

Mormonism teaches "Because of apostasy, there was no direct revelation from God.For many years people lived in spiritual darkness.  . . . there was no revelation ..."  (LDS GP Chap 17). Revelation did not stop because "some shall depart from the faith" (1Tim.4:1).  The apostolic faith "was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude.1:3).  The apostolic faith was committed to faithful men who taught others (2Tim.2:2). Catholics believe "The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church" (CCC79).  "The Catholic Church teaches that public revelation was completed, and therefore was concluded, with the death of the last apostle, but private revelation has continued. ... ‘private’ revelations ... do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith." (Private Revelation - CA). Catholics do not believe that today there are prophets like the Old Testament prophets, in the Old Testament the Holy Spirit spoke through the prophets (65; 719; 243). In the New Testament and today the Holy Spirit is with and in the disciples, to teach them and guide them into all the truth (243). Catholics believe that the Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church (79). Catholics believe in private revelation but not in public revelation, private revelation helps us live more fully but it is not part of public revelation which is the faith that once delivered to the saints (67). Catholics cannot accept "revelations" that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case of Mormonism which base themselves on such "revelations" (67). Catholics believe in all "that which is contained in the word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church proposes for belief as divinely revealed" (182). Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles (892). "Christians have always understood that at the close of the apostolic age—with the death of the last surviving apostle, John, perhaps around A.D. 100—public revelation ceased ... However, this closure to public revelation doesn’t mean there isn’t progress in the understanding of what has been entrusted to the Church." (Can Dogma Develop? - CA). " ... prophetical gifts remain with us [Christians], even to the present time." (CA). The writings of the early Christians reveal (see below):

Mormonism is an example of the apostasy described in the Bible, the Bible reveals "in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils” (1Tim.4:1). The Mormon church has NOT stood fast, and held the traditions taught by the apostles either by oral or by written (2Thes.2:15). Joseph Smith's false teachings are the fruit that he is a false prophet (Matt.7:15-20). False prophets like Joseph Smith who come in sheep's clothing and who deceive many (Matt.24:11-24; Matt.7:15). Joseph Smith's teaching are contrary to what Jesus taught. Jesus did not teach "three Gods" like Joseph Smith. Jesus taught "there is one God" (Mark 12:29,32) and his apostles taught "to us there is but one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ" (1Cor 8:4-6).The Mormon Church fulfils the prophecy that "in the latter times some shall depart from the faith” (2Thes.2:3; 1Tim.4:1).  The Mormon Church is very different than the early apostolic Church. 

Mormonism teaches "The perfect organization of the Church no longer existed, and confusion resulted. More and more error crept into Church doctrine, and soon the destruction of the Church was complete. ." (LDS GP Chap 16). "It is not proper to conclude, from the existence of the Inquisition, that the Catholic Church is not the Church of Christ. ... it is easy to see how those who led the Inquisitions could think their actions were justified." (CA-The Inquisition). God's chosen leaders are not perfect, sometimes they sin, in the Old Testament King David was "a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will" (Acts.13:22) but yet he "displeased the LORD" when he ordered Joab to murder Uriah for him (2Sam.11:27). Paul and Christ himself warned us that there would be a few ravenous wolves among Church leaders (Acts 20:29; Matt. 7:15). The Bible does not a reveal an apostasy of complete destruction like Mormonism teaches. The Church could not of been completely destroyed, the church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1Tim.3:15). The church faithfully guards "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (1Tim.3:15; Jude.1:3).  The Bible does NOT reveal a complete destruction but reveals "some shall depart from the faith" (1Tim.4:1).  In the early apostolic church some were overcome or martyred (Rev.13:17).  In the early apostolic church some turned away and some followed false prophets (2Tim.1:13; Acts.20:29; Rev.2:20). The apostles knew "some shall depart from the faith" before the second coming of Christ and they taught others to "stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (2Thes.2:15; 2Tim.2:2; Acts.20:31-38).  

Mormonism teaches "The period of time when the true Church no longer existed on earth is called the Great Apostasy" (LDS GP Chap 16).  The Lord has "set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, . . . and it shall stand for ever" (Dan.2:44). Our Lord applied the figure of the stone hewn from the mountain to himself (Dan 2:36-45; Luke 20:17-18). The glorified people of God will form his kingdom on earth is represented in human form (Daniel 7:18). "[Dan 7:14] ... the apostles became witnesses of the "kingdom [that] will have no end" (CCC664)"Mormons misconstrue the biblical passages which do refer to a "great apostasy" from the Christian Church. They read into the text a complete apostasy. ... Most of these verses say "many" will fall away, and not one mentions a complete apostasy of the Church." (Catholic Answers). The Catholic Church teaches "Before Christ's second coming ... religious deception ... apostasy from the truth ... [2 Th 2:4-12]" (CCC675)

Mormonism teaches Amos 8:11 predicated the apostasy (LDS GP Chap 16). The Old Testament prophet Amos did NOT prophesies of the New Testament Church but prophesied of Israel (the Jews) Amos said, "my people of Israel ... famine ... hearing the words of the LORD" (Amos.8:2-12). Israel is God's people, the apostle Paul was "an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin" (Rom.11:1). For Israel (the Jews) there was a famine for hearing the words of the Lord, Israel transgressed the laws, Israel changed the ordinance, Israel broke the everlasting covenant; and Israel killed their prophets (Amos.8:2-12Isa.24:5).  God gave Israel (the Jews) a spirit of slumber, and eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear (Rom.11).   


Mormonism did not restore truth  [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: Jesus taught the truth is that there is one God. Joseph Smith did not restore the truth that there is one God, Joseph Smith taught "three Gods".

Mormons Believe: Restoration ... Priesthood Authority ... baptism by immersion, confirmation to bestow the permanent gift of the Holy Ghost ... Church organization after the pattern of the ancient church ... pre-mortal life ... the necessity for the fall of Adam ... eternal marriage and families sealed together for eternity (The Great Apostasy and the Restoration). Mormons believe there are three Gods, but who function as an entirely unified body. ... Mormons do teach there are three Gods, these are Gods working in perfect harmony (Are Mormons Polytheists?). The Godhead ... three Gods (God And The Holy Trinity 2). Joseph Smith taught Jesus is one of "three Gods" (LDS Ensign Magazine, Mar 2008, 68-73 --- Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p370). The Mormon Bible Dictionary reveals that there are three Gods in the Godhead [God the Father (Elohim), God the Son (Jehovah), and God the Holy Ghost] (LDS BD - Godhead). The Mormon Bible Dictionary reveals that each is "a God" (LDS BD - God). Mormon scripture reveals "The Gods plan the creation" (The Book of Abraham 4:1-3).  

Mormonism has not restored the truth. Jesus taught "the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he" (Mark.12:32). Joseph Smith taught "three Gods" (Joseph Smith Teachings - Ensign, Mar 2008, 68-73).


Mormon scripture is contrary to the Bible [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: Mormon scripture is contrary to what the Bible reveals. Mormon scripture reveals many Gods organized the heavens and the Bible reveals God was alone and by himself during creation.

Mormons Believe: Mormon scripture reveals "The Gods plan the creation" (The Book of Abraham 4:1-3)

Additional Mormon scripture does not add clarity to the Bible. Mormon scripture reveals "the Gods, organized and formed the heavens  ... they (the Gods) said: Let there be light" (Abr 4:1-3). Joseph Smith's modern revelation is contrary to the revelation found in the Bible, modern Mormon revelation (Abr 4:1-3) reveals "Gods" and the Bible reveals "God" (Gen 1:3). Mormon scripture reveals "the Gods, organized and formed the heavens  ... they (the Gods) said: Let there be light" (Abr 4:1-3). The Bible reveals something different than Mormon scripture, the Bible reveals "God said, Let there be light" (Gen 1:3) and that "... there is no God beside me ... I form the light ... stretched out the heavens" (Isa 45:5-12) and that "God ... stretcheth forth the heavens alone ... by myself" (Isa 44:2,24). God was alone at the time of creation with no other gods, when Gen. 1:26 says "Let us make man in our image" it expresses a plurality which refers to God himself (Isa. 44:24, Neh. 9:6; CA).


Polygamy  [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: The apostle Paul did not teach polygamy like Joseph Smith. The apostle Paul taught to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 

Mormons Believe: Mormon scripture reveals "plurality of wives" (D&C 132). Polygamy ... was an important part of the teachings of the Church for fifty years. The practice began during the lifetime of founder and prophet Joseph Smith but became publicly and widely known during the time of 2nd prophet, Brigham Young. (Mormon Polygamy).

The apostles did not practice or teach plural wives, the apostle Paul taught "to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband" (1Cor.7:2). Under the Old Covenant polygamy was practiced, under the New Covenant the apostles taught "two shall be one flesh" (Eph.5:31), the apostles of Christ did not teach a man with two or more wives shall be one flesh. Polygamy directly negates the plan of God which was revealed from the beginning, because it is contrary to the equal personal dignity of men and women who in matrimony give themselves with a love that is total and therefore unique and exclusive (CCC2387).  Polygamy is contrary to conjugal love which is undivided and exclusive (CCC1645) and is a grave offense against the dignity of marriage (CCC2400). In the Old Testament the polygamy of patriarchs and kings is not yet explicitly rejected (CCC1610).  In the New Testament "Marriage ... its renewal "in the Lord" in the New Covenant of Christ and the Church [1 Cor 7:39; Eph 5:31-32] (CCC1602).


Contrary Doctrine  [Return to Topics]

Catholics Believe: The doctrines of Mormonism are contrary to what Jesus and his apostles taught. The Bible tells to mark them which cause contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned. 

Mormons Believe: Mormonism is the restoration of the ancient Church of Christ (How Belief Shapes Mormon Culture). God has also promised to restore what was lost ... (Acts 3) ...This restitution began with Joseph Smith in the 1800s. He wanted to know which church to join, and asked God in prayer. God and Jesus Christ appeared to him and Jesus told him not to join any of them, because none had the complete truth. When he was older, an angel named Moroni tutored him in preparation for the restitution of all things that was promised in the Book of Acts. (How can Mormons have authority when the unbroken line of succession comes from Peter?). Restoration ... Priesthood Authority ... baptism by immersion, confirmation to bestow the permanent gift of the Holy Ghost ... Church organization after the pattern of the ancient church ... pre-mortal life ... the necessity for the fall of Adam ... eternal marriage and families sealed together for eternity (The Great Apostasy and the Restoration)

The writings of the early Christians reveal (see below):

The Bible reveals we are to "mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them." (Rom.16:17). Pope St. Felix III said "Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it."  The Italian Catholic theologian Saint Thomas Aquinas believed that truth is known through reason (natural revelation) and faith (supernatural revelation), he demonstrated gentleness in condemning what was false and fairness in pointing out the direction to true knowledge. 


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Search:  KJV -- NAB -- Catholic Teachings -- Catholic Answers -- ECF -- Catholic Encyclopedia -- GP -- LDS.org  

Articles from Catholic Answers:   

- Search Catholic Answers
- Catholic Answers to Mormon Questions 

- How to Defend the Doctrine of the Trinity
- God in Three Persons
- The Trinity
- Three Distinct Persons
- How Many True Gods Are There, Anyway?
- God Has No Body
- The One True God
- The Divinity of Christ

- The Mormon Christ 
- Mormonism's God(s) 
- The Gods of the Mormon Church 
- Mormonism's Baptism for the Dead 
- Problems with the Book of Mormon 
- Search of "the great apostasy"
- Mormon Bashing? 
- Distinctive Beliefs of the Mormon Church 
- What You Need to Know about the Mormons 

- The Fathers of the Church
- Mary: Part IPart II, Part III, Part IV, Part V, Part VI, Part VII 
- The Inquisition
- Myths about Indulgences

- Abortion: Who Teaches the Truth?  # Mormon's permit exceptions to its no-abortion position
- Does Being Catholic Make a Difference? 
- Scriptural Reference Guide

Search:  KJV -- NAB -- Catholic Teachings -- Catholic Answers -- ECF -- Catholic Encyclopedia -- GP -- LDS.org 
Articles: Catholic Answers 
Questions to Ask Mormons About: Jesus -- Book of Mormon -- Joseph Smith -- Mormon Church
Teach Mormons About:    Catholicism -- Scripture -- One God -- By Grace Alone
Compare Mormonism to:  Christianity  --  The Bible  --  Early Christians  --  Catholicism


My Story  [Return to Topics]

My name is John (Johnny) Romero. I have no formal religious training, but I love to read God's word. My other interests include rock climbing, skiing, sailing, and running. I was baptized as an infant by the Catholic Church and was raised in a loving Catholic home in Wyoming. I attended the University of Wyoming where I obtained a BS in Electrical Engineering. After college my beautiful and loving Catholic wife and I moved to Seattle, Washington where I enjoyed lots of rock climbing and sailing. Life was good.  Six years later I moved to Denver, Colorado where I had a born again experience where I came to God in humility. After this experience my life and heart has never been the same. The Holy Spirit showed me that Jesus is the Christ and God's grace and mercy turned me away from sin. I testify that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all, and I put my trust in Jesus. The gifts of the Holy Spirit have given my life meaning and purpose and the strength to face the trials and temptations of this life. 

While living in Denver I volunteered at Mother Theresa's AIDS hospice caring for those dying of the AIDS virus. I came close to meeting Mother Theresa when she visited her sisters of Charity in Denver. During this time I became involved in a discussion group that involved a Mormon, a Protestant, and a Jehovah Witness. The goal of the discussion group was to learn about each other's faith. This discussion was my beginning of understanding what Mormonism taught. I learned from the Mormon that we can ask God for wisdom. After this discussion group, I began to read the Bible more deeply. As I read the Bible I would ask God for wisdom to understand what I was reading. The Spirit of truth guided me and the Holy Ghost taught me. The more I read the Bible, the more I realized that the teachings of the Catholic Church were consistent with the Bible and that the Catholic Church is an institution of men some who are not perfect.

Five years later, Mormon missionaries came knocking at my door in Fort Collins, Colorado. We met a number of times. I read the passages they had selected from the Book of Mormon and prayed about the Book of Mormon. I asked God with a sincere heart and real intent in the name of Christ if these things were true. My heart and mind were open to where God would take me with the answer. God did not manifest that the Mormon things were true but instead the power of the Holy Ghost lead me to passages in the Bible that revealed Mormonism was wrong.  The power of the Holy Ghost was so strong that it led me to copyright an article saying how Mormonism was false, the U.S. Copyright number is TXu000876176 dated 1998-10-05.

The visit by the Mormon missionaries started me investigating Mormonism more deeply and comparing its teachings with what the Bible revealed. During my comparison I used the teachings of the Catholic Church to better understand what the Bible revealed. To better understand Mormonism from a Mormon perspective, I talked with my Mormon co-workers at Hewlett-Packard. One Mormon co-worker named Chris gave my a copy of the Mormon Standard Works. I asked him questions as I read these Mormon Scriptures. Another female Mormon co-worker invited me to a Mormon Sunday service. I went to the Mormon Sunday service. After the service we went to pick up her kids and all the little Mormon kids were singing a song about following the prophet, I thought to myself I thought we are suppose to follow Jesus and not a man. 

So I could learn more about Mormonism directly from Mormons, I joined an internet Mormon Apologetic & Discussion Board. I was active on the Mormon discussion board for a number of years. During this time, I learned a lot about Mormonism. I learned that Joseph Smith attacked my Catholic faith when he said the churches "….were all wrong ...all their creeds were an abomination …” and that the Mormon Church teaches that my Catholic is "false Christianity" because it believed God was a being without form.  I learned that Joseph Smith taught "three Gods". I learned that the Mormon restored gospel was a perverted gospel.  I learned the Mormon Church was not the restored Church as it claimed to be. As I studied the writings of the early Christian leaders to see if this Mormon claim was true the more I realized that the teachings and the traditions of the Catholic Church were the same as the first and second century Apostolic Church. The more I studied the teachings of the Mormon Church the more I realized how contrary the Mormon teachings were to the Bible and to traditions of the apostles, especially Joseph Smith's teaching of "three Gods". As I learned more about Mormonism, I kept this information on a personal web page so I could easily search for items as I talked with Mormons on the internet.  

Through study and prayer, I realized and knew that the creeds of the Catholic Church were consistent with the Bible. During my exchange with Mormons I used the Bible for reproof and correction. I used the Catholic Catechism to interpret the Bible and to show Mormons what the Catholic Church taught. I used the writings of the early apostolic church to show the Catholic Church teachings were consistent with the oral and written traditions of the apostles. I  used articles from Catholic Answers to expand and clarify what the Bible and what the Catholic Church taught. My experience with Mormons is that they will begin to attack Catholic teachings (e.g. Mary, infant baptism, celibacy) and Catholic history (inquisition, inappropriate priestly behavior) when they are not able to defend the teachings of Mormonism using the Bible. Mormons will try to paint the Catholic Church as something evil, repressive, and abominable - something that wasn’t a Christian Church at all.  By believing this Mormons can then believe Joseph Smith's teachings that the teachings of non-Mormon churches are an abomination and the Mormon teaching of a great apostasy.

One day while searching on the internet I learned that the Mormon President Brigham Young said "Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-day Saints with it, and see if it will stand the test".  I took Brigham Young's challenge and Mormonism failed the test. Mormonism does not continue with the doctrines revealed in the Bible. Later the Spirit led me to place my personal web page on a public web site (http://comparing-views.com) so that I could share my findings with others and help others understand that Mormonism is contrary to the teachings of Jesus and his apostles. This web site would "mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned" (Rom.16:17) and would provide scriptures "for reproof, for correction" (2Tim.3:16).  This web site would warn Christians that Mormonism is not just another Christian denomination. In the Bible, the Spirit warned the church in Thyatira of the consequence of following a false prophet.

I feel sorry for Mormons because they don't know the truth that there is "one God", Jesus told us that the truth will set us free.  I feel sorry for Mormons because they don't know the joy that comes from believing the gospel of Christ which says “by grace are ye saved through faith”. Instead Mormons believe the Mormon restored gospel which is found in the Book of Mormon which says "we are saved, after all we can do”. I feel sorry for Mormons because they follow the teachings of the false prophet Joseph Smith instead of the teachings of Jesus and his apostles, especially the Bible teachings on eternal life. I feel sorry for Mormons because they are not able to experience the communion of the body of Christ when they break the bread because they don't believe Jesus when he said "take, eat this is my body.” I feel sorry for Mormons because they are unable to experience the peace and love of having the mother of Jesus pray for them, the prayers of Blessed Mary are very powerful because she is highly favored by God. I feel sorry for all the African Americans that have been discriminated by Mormons because Mormon Scripture speaks of dark skin as a curse for sins, African Americans were denied the priesthood until 1978.  I feel sorry for all the women who were the wives of Mormon men because polygamy was an important part of the Mormon Church teachings till 1890.  Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, had 27 wives besides Emma Smith. One of Joseph Smith's wife was fourteen years old, and another wife already had another husband. I feel sorry for the unborn because Mormonism permits abortion.

I feel compassion toward Mormons and want to teach Mormons because they are as sheep without a shepherd. Mormons have gone astray by following the false prophet Joseph Smith, and they have become entangled in many false doctrines after they came to the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Mormonism does not continue with the teachings of Jesus, such as Jesus' teaching of one God. Mormonism does not hold to the apostolic traditions, which have been taught by the written word and orally, such as "take, eat this is my body”. Ask a Mormon, "Do you believe Christ or Joseph Smith?" I believe Christ. These days I am active in sharing my findings of Comparing Mormonism to the Bible with others as I joyfully share life with my three precious kids and with my incredible wife in Denver, Colorado. My prayer is that Mormons can grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever.  

If you have any questions on Mormonism or Catholicism please feel free to contact me, Johnny, at  c.view@comcast.net .  

My testimony after comparing Mormonism with the Bible

 

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